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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (8919)	2/1/2017 8:00:36 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 364209

As was impeaching a president for a blow job. A reasonable argument can be made that the impeachment was a bad idea but it was for perjury. I never thought that the MSM were all that biased. They just live in that cosmopolitan cultural bubble. You couldn't work for major news media without being immersed in it because they are housed in big cities. You simply don't know people who are different so you think everyone is like those around you. I recall my early days on SI when two parties were framing something very differently and each was saying, well, everyone thinks that. It's because everyone around each of them thinks that way so they assume that it is universal and inevitable and obvious. Other frames are invisible. That's more an explanation for bias than an argument against bias. But if he really is a new and dangerous paradigm, then the reaction to him is not Derangement Syndrome because it is realistic. If he really is a very serious threat to the country, then all the unfavorable reporting going on now is no longer partisan or cultural opposition but them doing their watchdog job. I believe the amount that he represents "a new and dangerous paradigm" is exaggerated (note: I don't say outright false, their is perhaps a kernel of truth under all the exaggeration). To the extent that its true it runs in to a bit of a "boy who cried wolf" problem. He isn't the first Republican president or presidential candidate to be portrayed as representing a new dangerous paradigm.

To: Lane3 who wrote (8919)	2/2/2017 10:44:20 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 364209

>>>"Both Clintons, Bush, and Obama are all decent human beings, perhaps flawed, but normal."<<< I suspect we disagree on what constitutes decency. You probably consider, well spoken, polite in public, and educated as a measure of decency. I don't find anything wrong with that as far as it goes but I would add trustworthiness, which a couple of those people lack. >>>"As was impeaching a president for a blow job, however tacky that might have been."<<< I was really happy to see Bill Clinton running for president because he seemed to be the first candidate who genuinely represented our generation. Gary Hart was my first choice but he screwed himself with bad publicity. Disclaimer: I didn't vote in that election, just lazy but Bill was my choice while it was well known he was trying to emulate JFK in his philandering life style. He was elected twice even though more and more information was released about his sexual dalliances. It was not a deal breaker for him. He is easy to like because he has all those criteria I assigned to you plus he is a charmer. That being the case, news about another BJ at the time was a yawner, at least on its own. His down fall was due to his character flaw of smooth tongued lying, something that was/is unacceptable by a large segment of society. In addition it came out that he and Hillary had engaged in character assassination to the extent that people who he had intimate involvement with was subject to their destructive abuses of authority. I am surprised every time I see someone claim it was just because he got a BJ. Bill failed on the trustworthiness measure twofold: 1) He lied to us when it mattered, 2) he abused women in his care who were vulnerable. It is especially interesting to me that people such as yourself who are women advocates, continue to give him a pass.