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To: kokoro33 who wrote (177)2/2/2017 5:31:26 PM
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Trump's Immigration Ban Was Clumsy But He's Right About Radical Islam

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13-16 minutes
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Author, Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now

I was a Muslim refugee once. I know what it’s like. I know what it’s like to gamble your entire future on a one-way ticket to a foreign land, what it’s like to fill in the forms, not knowing for sure what the right answers are. I know what it’s like to fear rejection, deportation and the dangers that await you back home.

Yet today I am an American citizen, one who has more reason than most to fear Islamic extremism. And that’s why I want to plead with my fellow Americans to calm down and think rationally about the dilemmas and trade-offs that we face.

When Donald Trump set out his views on Islamic extremism in a campaign speech last August, I was surprised and excited. In particular, Trump’s pledge that, if elected president, he would focus on the ideology underlying the violence — and not only on the acts of violence themselves — was a welcome departure from the approach taken by his predecessor, Barack Obama.

Liberals who have been so quick to heap opprobrium on President Trump should read that speech. In it, he rightly condemned “the hateful ideology of radical Islam” for “its oppression of women, gays, children and nonbelievers.” And he argued persuasively for a non-military response to the threat: “Just as we won the Cold War, in part, by exposing the evils of communism and the virtues of free markets, so too must we take on the ideology of Radical Islam.” Best of all, in my eyes, Trump promised that his “administration will be a friend to all moderate Muslim reformers in the Middle East, and will amplify their voices.”

Our administration will be a friend to all moderate Muslim reformers in the Middle East and will amplify their voices. Donald Trump, August 2016 Finally, I thought, we could have a commander-in-chief who understands the true nature of the challenge we face — who sees that we need more than drone strikes abroad and empty domestic programs supposed to counter “violent extremism.”

Perhaps it was my high expectations that made last Friday’s executive order on immigration so puzzling. It was, apart from anything else, clumsy. It caught border protection agents and customs officials by surprise. It sowed confusion and fear among travelers, immigrants and legal permanent residents. Its poor execution was a gift to the president’s critics.

In halting the entry of all refugees, and in appearing to be directed against Muslims — including even those who had worked for the U.S. military as interpreters — it was much too broad. In temporarily banning citizens from just seven countries, however, it was also too narrow (citizens from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and several North African countries have also been implicated in terrorism).

True, the president had made clear back in August that this was part of what he intended to do. “We will have to temporarily suspend immigration from some of the most dangerous and volatile regions of the world that have a history of exporting terrorism,” he said. “As soon as I take office, I will ask the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security to identify a list of regions where adequate screening cannot take place. We will stop processing visas from those areas until such time as it is deemed safe to resume based on new circumstances or new procedures.”

But what got lost in the hysteria that followed last Friday’s announcement was that these are temporary measures, not the foundation for future policy. As Trump said in August, his administration “will establish a clear principle that will govern all decisions pertaining to immigration: we should admit into this country those who share our values and respect our people ... In addition to screening out all members or sympathizers of terrorist groups, we must also screen out any who have hostile attitudes towards our country or its principles — or who believe that Sharia law should supplant American law. Those who do not believe in our Constitution, or who support bigotry and hatred, will not be admitted for immigration into the country. Only those who we expect to flourish in our country — and to embrace a tolerant American society — should be issued immigrant visas.”

If that is still the Trump administration’s plan, then it has my support. Let me explain why.

We must screen out those who have hostile attitudes towards our country or its principles. Donald Trump, August 2016 As I said, I was once a Muslim refugee. En route to Canada to consummate a marriage arranged against my will by my father, I fled from Frankfurt Airport to the Netherlands and requested asylum.


It was not easy. I learned Dutch. I worked in a factory to make ends meet, and also worked as an interpreter for abused Muslim women. But I worked hard. And I studied.


I received a master’s degree in political science from the University of Leiden, where I read John Locke, Voltaire and John Stuart Mill. I eventually rejected Islam as a system that was too intolerant of free thought. I later emigrated to the United States, after I found that the Dutch were themselves not quite as committed to free thought and free speech as I had been led to believe.

My story is unusual, but it is not unique. In the course of working with Muslim communities over the past two decades, I have come to distinguish between four types of Muslim immigrants: adapters, menaces, coasters and fanatics.

JASON REDMOND via Getty Images

Somali refugees at a rally for immigrants and refugees. Seattle, Jan. 29. Many Muslim immigrants have adapted over time by adopting the core values of Western democracies, using the freedoms they have found in the West to learn, educate themselves and their children, find gainful employment, start businesses, vote and take part in politics and thrive in many ways.

Then there are those individuals — mostly young men — who choose to become menaces in their homes and outside in public. Some have been subjected to domestic violence and then commit it themselves. Others drop out of school, commit crimes big and small, and spend periods of their lives in prison.

A third group of Muslim immigrants are the “coasters” — men and women with little or no formal education who thankfully accept welfare, live off it and invite their families from abroad to come and partake of it. They see no reason to work because the kind of jobs available to them are the menial, repetitive sort that are “beneath” them and pay only a bit more than the benefits they claim.

Finally, there are the fanatics — those use the freedoms of the countries that gave them sanctuary to spread an uncompromising practice of Islam.

These different categories are not rigidly separate. A coaster’s children can become adapters; some menaces clean up their acts; some fanatics get disillusioned with the pursuit of religious utopia. It also goes the other way, however. Menaces can turn into fanatics, sometimes as a result of exposure to Islamism in prison. Even the children of adapters can embrace fanaticism.

We cannot pretend that all Muslim immigrants are perfect adapters; but similarly, we cannot assume that no Muslim immigrants are fanatics. In our immigration policy, we need to make all possible effort to welcome adapters and exclude troublemakers. The question is how.

Many Muslim immigrants have adapted over time by adopting the core values of Western democracies. As an immigrant of Somali origin, I have no objection to other people coming to America to seek a better life for themselves and their families. My concern is with the attitudes many of these new Muslim Americans will bring with them — and with our limited capacity for changing those attitudes.

According to projections in a 2011 Pew report, more than a third of Muslim immigrants to the U.S. between 2010 and 2030 will be from just three countries: Pakistan, Bangladesh and Iraq. Only Iraq was targeted by President Trump’s executive order. Another Pew study of opinion in the Muslim world shows just how many people in these countries hold views that most Americans would regard as extreme. (Data on opinion are unavailable for the other two big “sender” countries, Somalia and Iran, both of which were targeted by the executive order.)

In a survey of Muslims who believe Sharia law should be official national law in their country, three-quarters of Pakistanis and almost half of Bangladeshis and Iraqis think that those, like me, who leave Islam should suffer the death penalty. More than 80 percent of Muslims in Pakistan and around two-thirds of Muslims in Bangladesh and Iraq regard Sharia law as the revealed word of God. Only tiny fractions would be comfortable if their daughters married Christians. Only a minority regards honor killings of women as “never justified.” More than a quarter of Bangladeshi Muslims, 13 percent of Pakistani Muslims and 7 percent of Iraqi Muslims think suicide bombings in defense of Islam are often or sometimes justified.

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Members of the Bangladesh Caliphate Movement at a rally to protest the country’s secular education syllabus. Dhaka, May 6, 2016. People with views such as these pose a threat to us all, not because those who hold them will all turn to terrorism. Most will not. But such attitudes imply a readiness to turn a blind eye to the use of violence and intimidation tactics against, say, apostates and dissidents — and a clear aversion to the hard-won achievements of Western feminists and campaigners for minority rights. Admitting individuals with such views is not in the American national interest.

Contrary to some of the president’s more strident critics, restrictions on foreign immigration are not immoral per se. Canada, for example, accepts only whole families, single women or children from Syria, but excludes single men as a possible security threat. Most countries have such rules. Recent terrorist cases suggest that the U.S. could do with tightening its rules, or applying them more rigorously.

The Tsarnaev family came to the U.S. on tourist visas and over time gained asylum. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the younger of the two brothers responsible for the Boston marathon bombings, received his green card in 2007 and became a U.S. citizen in 2012 on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

The culprit behind the pressure cooker bombings in New York was Ahmad Khan Rahami. He was born in Afghanistan and came to the United States when his father requested asylum. He was a naturalized U.S. citizen at the time of the attacks.

The Chattanooga shooting of July 2015, in which four Marines and a Navy sailor were killed, was carried out by Muhammad Abdulazeez. Born in Kuwait, he was a naturalized U.S. citizen.

Tashfeen Malik, one of the killers in the San Bernardino massacre in December 2015, entered the United States on a K-1 fiancee visa with a Pakistani passport.

Contrary to some of the president’s more strident critics, restrictions on foreign immigration are not immoral per se. In retrospect, all these cases were not vetted closely enough. Yet two further points immediately follow from this. First, the different statuses of these perpetrators — children of asylum seekers, recipients of tourist visas, fiancée visas, permanent residents, naturalized citizens — show that it is not enough to focus on refugees alone. Indeed, no refugee has yet committed a terrorist act.

Second, and more importantly, the problem of Islamist terrorism will not be solved by immigration controls and extreme vetting alone. That’s because the problem is already inside our borders.

Several perpetrators of recent attacks were U.S. citizens who were born and raised in the United States: Maj. Nidal Hasan, who killed 13 and wounded more than 30 at Fort Hood in 2009, was born in Virginia in 1970 to Palestinian parents who had immigrated to the U.S. And the other culprit in San Bernardino was Syed Rizwan Farook, a U.S. citizen born in Chicago in 1987 to parents who had immigrated from Pakistan. The Orlando night club shooter who killed 49 and injured 53 was Omar Seddique Mateen, a U.S. citizen born in New York in 1986 to Afghan parents.

The Obama administration had a flawed solution to this problem, which it called countering violent extremism. The Trump administration needs a completely new approach that targets not just violence, but the proponents of subversive Islamist views — the phenomenon of dawa or proselytizing. This ideological indoctrination is the essential prelude to acts of jihad, yet for too long it has been going on with impunity.

Muslims march in a pride parade in London. June 25, 2016. Addressing the problem of Islamist terrorism will require much more than better immigration controls, though we certainly need those. It will necessitate the systematic dismantling of the ideological infrastructure of dawa, which is already well established right here in the United States.

President Trump was right back in August. The threat posed by “the hateful ideology of radical Islam” needs to be countered. American citizens — including immigrants — must be protected from that ideology and the violence that it promotes. But the threat is too multifaceted to be dealt with by executive orders. That is why Trump was right to argue in August for a commission of some kind — I would favor congressional hearings — to establish the full magnitude and nature of the threat.

Until we recognize that this ideology is already in our midst, we shall expend all our energies in feverish debates about executive orders, when what is needed is cool, comprehensive legislation.



To: kokoro33 who wrote (177)2/2/2017 7:42:09 PM
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“Christendom might quite reasonably have been alarmed if it had not been attacked. But as a matter of history it had been attacked. The Crusader would have been quite justified in suspecting the Moslem even if the Moslem had merely been a new stranger; but as a matter of history he was already an old enemy. The critic of the Crusade talks as if it had sought out some inoffensive tribe or temple in the interior of Tibet, which was never discovered until it was invaded. They seem entirely to forget that long before the Crusaders had dreamed of riding to Jerusalem, the Moslems had almost ridden into Paris.” G.K. Chesterton In The Meaning of the Crusade, 1920





To: kokoro33 who wrote (177)2/2/2017 7:42:37 PM
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“Now put this down in your notebook, because it will be on the test: The crusades were in every way a defensive war. They were the West's belated response to the Muslim conquest of fully two-thirds of the Christian world.” Dr. Thomas Madden





To: kokoro33 who wrote (177)2/2/2017 7:43:02 PM
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“The first point to be made in defense of the Crusades is that they were initially a response to Islamic aggression. Islam, from its inception, had espoused the use of force. Where Jesus had died for his beliefs, the Prophet Mohammed had wielded a sword. Though Christianity was later to be exploited for political ends, the Christian religion as such had, in the first three centuries of its existence, spread peacefully--thriving, in fact, on the blood of its martyrs. I say this not to score a point in favour of Christianity but to emphasize an historical truth: The spread of Islam from the Arabian peninsula to south-western France in the eighth century; and to the gates of Vienna in the seventeenth, came as a result of conquest by Islamic armies.” Piers Paul Read





To: kokoro33 who wrote (177)2/2/2017 7:43:45 PM
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[Dr. Paul Halsall to CNN interviewer Jonathan Mann]” I think there is just as much bad information, for instance, in Christiane's [Amanpour] report or in your previous segment, than is in the film. For instance, the idea that the Muslim world has this memory of the Crusades is very largely incorrect. It is a recovered memory. The idea that Jerusalem is Islam's third holiest place, Islam has many third holiest places. The idea that the capture of Jerusalem in 1099 was particularly horrific. All of these things are truisms repeated repeatedly on television, but they are not in fact correct.” Dr. Paul Halsall





To: kokoro33 who wrote (177)2/2/2017 7:44:16 PM
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“The story we tell about the crusades is that of ambitious nobles and merchants; intolerant Christians who kill innocent Jews, peaceful Arabs, and non-conventional Christians [heretics]; and scheming popes. Most of these villains are half competent fools and knaves who enrich themselves through taxes and trade, excusing their excesses through pious hypocrisy. In these stores the Turks are somehow forgotten, as though they were not a dangerous enemy at that time, or are confused with Arabs, while the Armenians, Byzantines, and other near-Eastern Christians are ignored for lack of time and space to discuss them. What is emphasized most strongly is the moral superiority of "natives," non-Christians, and non-traditional Christians. Secondly, the victimization of culturally superior Moslems by ethnocentric Westerners whose crudeness is equalled only by their love of violence and cunning. Lastly, any questioning of this thesis is dismissed as racism. In short, an aging collection of anti-colonial sentiments has merged with mild political correctness (opposition to violence, scepticism toward Western religious traditions and practices, concern for social issues reflecting race, gender, class, and ethnicity) to dominate current historiography of the Crusades.” Dr. William Urban





To: kokoro33 who wrote (177)2/2/2017 7:44:48 PM
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“If the Muslims won the crusades (and they did), why the anger now? Shouldn't they celebrate the crusades as a great victory? Until the nineteenth century that is precisely what they did. It was the West that taught the Middle East to hate the crusades. During the peak of European colonialism, historians began extolling the medieval crusades as Europe's first colonial venture. By the 20th century, when imperialism was discredited, so too were the crusades. They haven't been the same since. In other words, Muslims in the Middle East — including bin Laden and his creatures — know as little about the real crusades as Americans do. Both view them in the context of the modern, rather than the medieval world. The truth is that the crusades had nothing to do with colonialism or unprovoked aggression. They were a desperate and largely unsuccessful attempt to defend against a powerful enemy.” Dr. Thomas Madden





To: kokoro33 who wrote (177)2/2/2017 7:45:44 PM
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“As Vincent Carroll so eloquently explains, only a historical ignoramus--or, I would add at the risk of redundancy, a tendentious PBS editor --could produce the claptrap statement that the Crusades marked the first time Islam and the West met on the battlefield. Islam began with one man in Mecca and, within less than two centuries, encompassed territory from the Iberian Peninsula to the Hindu Kush. This expansion did not happen peacefully. The Arab Muslim armies attacked and conquered Byzantine Christian territories in Syria and Egypt and, a bit later, Arab-Berber Muslim forces conquered the formerly Roman, but still Christian, cities and towns across North Africa and into what is now Spain and Portugal, ruling there for seven centuries. Muslim armies invaded the Frankish Kingdom, later to become France, in 732 and were defeated by Charlemagne's grandfather, Charles Martel. Over the next three centuries the Sunni Muslim Seljuq Turks further dissected the Byzantine Empire, beginning a process that would be completed by their cousins the Ottomans, who conquered Constantinople in 1453 and ruled south-eastern Europe for centuries. So the Crusades, far from being the first time Muslims and Christians fought, were actually merely the first time that Christians, after four centuries of defeats, really fought back. “ Dr. Timothy Furnish





To: kokoro33 who wrote (177)2/2/2017 7:46:40 PM
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10 Quotes By Barack Obama About Islam

"Islam has always been part of America"

"we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities"

"These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings."

"America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings."

"So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed"

"Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity and racial equality"

"As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith."

"I look forward to hosting an Iftar dinner celebrating Ramadan here at the White House later this week, and wish you a blessed month."

"That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn't. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear."

"I also know that Islam has always been a part of America's story."