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To: RetiredNow who wrote (326903)	2/4/2017 3:43:40 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540704

What you say is reasonable, with a caveat. If one has been bullied it is easy for groups to go rogue. without fear of inadvertently insulting some constituent that I may not even be aware of Fair enough. Then put it on the table. You just said it - "I don't know how to say this without being offensive." Fine. Take the chance and explain why words and cultural norms fail us. healthy society needs to be able to express all kinds of opinions and teach out kids to be tough minded and verbally agile Yup. And there is a time and a place. Dominance and submission is key as is capacity. If we are verbally, physically or emotionally dominant and the person we are talking to is less so, put that on the table. "You seem intimidated by this discussion. How can we address the problem and still respect your needs?" Angry people make poor assessment about their power. And being in majority groups make them even more powerful. "I feel this is a group attack. We have a point but we outnumber Alice (or Bob) and this is not the time or place to confront them." If Alice (or Bob) is by themselves and up in someone's grill - "You are being too aggressive on this point right now. Let's take a step back because the group is getting angry / nervous / uncomfortable". My point is that these things happen in a context and nobody actually NEEDS to hear someone else's opinion except at very limited times. We often want to express that opinion to feel gratified. Or we can say "You know, I'm about to call the cops because this is getting out of control." We have options

To: RetiredNow who wrote (326903)	2/4/2017 3:58:23 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 540704

Political correctness really should have been useful for work- where you are stuck with the fat fuck you work next to, and you don't want to deal with their right wing alt world shit, and if their mother didn't teach them to STFU at work about politics, then thank the Lord if political correctness could shut their fat face. It is good if their are places where you can just punch the shit out of someone intellectually- but mostly those spaces (like the internet) get gummed up with bozos who just say things like, "You're a retard," or "Loser" or "MAGA buttercup"- and other such moronic crap that has zero value but manages to band like minded morons together into bands of idiot zombies who jack each other off all day when they aren't insulting people who managed to wander into their zones of moronity. What created the election we just had was 1. profound ignorance, 2. fake news, 3. YEARS of the drip drip drip of fake news and utter crap treated seriously by the MSM, and 4. a bunch of complacent asswipes who didn't see the consequences of the election until afterwards. And to all of them I say, "Now you are fucked. Bend over. Hope you enjoy it." Were there any trigger words in here? Did it violate anyone? I fucking hope so.