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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (132106)	3/15/2017 6:17:29 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217652

re <<But if you're referred to unpaid sex slaves, the controversy does not bear the light of truth, or even logic>> ... so the testimonies by victims are faked? in korea, china, philippines? and the japanese did all sorts of wrongs, except one wrong?

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (132106)	3/15/2017 6:25:04 PM
From: TobagoJack	1 Recommendation Recommended By Elroy Jetson Respond to of 217652

interesting article, that perhaps usa would be successful in getting mexico to pay for the wall, and trying it on for size first w/ cambodia abc.net.au US attempt to recoup Cambodian debt 'cack-handed': former Australian Ambassador By Kerri Worthington and wires Updated Mon at 5:11am Photo: Cambodia is a contradiction of rapid economic growth and great poverty. (AP: Heng Sinith, File) Related Story: Cambodian leader sides with Trump over 'anarchic' media Related Story: Cambodia's building boom built on slave labour, report says Related Story: Old Khmer Rouge enemies become pioneers of peace The issue of Cambodia's debt to the United States is back in the spotlight as the US appears set to ignore pleas from the South-East Asian nation to cancel the decades-old arrangement. Key points:Cambodia's debt to the US from the early 1970s has ballooned to about $500 millionThe poor south-east Asian nation has asked successive US governments to forgive the debtForeign policy experts say moves to force repayment are unfair Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen late last year called on then-President Elect Donald Trump to cancel debt, thought to be around $US500 million. In 2010, he asked former president Barack Obama to convert the "dirty" debt to aid. At the time, Hun Sen said the money his country owed the US was incurred by the Lon Nol government that came to power in a 1970 coup backed by Washington, and that it was spent on arms used against the Cambodian people. The official US line was that the loan had been for agricultural development and that Cambodia had the means to repay. Hun Sen raised the issue again this year, with Cambodian media reporting the PM as saying the US had no right to demand repayment of a debt that was "blood-stained" from the brutal US bombing of Cambodian territory during the Vietnam War. Former Australian ambassador to Cambodia Tony Kevin said American activity in the early 1970s had done great harm to Cambodia, and it was well understood in foreign policy circles that it had contributed to the rise of the Khmer Rouge. Lon Nol was toppled in 1975 by the ultra-Maoist Khmer Rouge regime, under which an estimated 1.7 million people died in less than four years, plunging Cambodia into decades of poverty and political instability. "At the same time the US was giving weapons to Lon Nol, it was bombing the Cambodian countryside into oblivion and creating millions of refugees fleeing into Phnom Penh and destroying all political fabric and civil life in the country," Mr Kevin said. "And all of this was simply to stop the supplies coming down to South Vietnam, as it was then, from the north. "So the United States created a desert in Cambodia in those years, and Americans know this." Mr Kevin said the issue of debt was not raised during his 1994-1997 posting to Cambodia as Australia's ambassador. He said he assumed that with the establishment of the United Nations Transitional Authority (UNTAC) that oversaw the implementation of agreements for political settlement of the Cambodia civil war, and the normalisation of relations with the US, the debt would have been "forgiven and forgotten". "We all would have thought it inconceivable that the United States would be approaching Cambodia now in 2017, 50 years later, with such a bill," he said. Photo: Cambodia, one of the world's poorest countries, owes the US around $500 million. (ABC News: Liam Cochrane) The current US Ambassador to Cambodia William Heidt was quoted in the Cambodia Daily newspaper as saying he had been involved in drafting a deal between the US and Cambodia two decades ago, but the issues remain unresolved. "I think that is unfortunate, I think that's not in Cambodia's best interest to keep letting that grow forever," he was reported as saying. "It's Cambodia's interest not to look at the past, but to look at how to solve this because it's important to Cambodia's future." Mr Kevin called the career diplomat's credentials "impeccable" and said if Ambassador Heidt was raising the issue now, two years into his posting, it was most likely under direct instructions from the new Trump administration. "I can only say, if this is the case, it is absolutely cack-handed diplomacy, and I use those words with aforethought," he said. "It's entirely inappropriate for the United States to be asking Cambodia for any kind of loan recovery at this point." "It's unwise in terms of American foreign policy interests because Cambodia has been moving closer to China in recent years. "Nothing could be better guaranteed to lock Cambodia in behind China on issues like the South China Sea than to destroy any possibility for flexibility towards Cambodia on that issue than this demand for money. It's just dumb." Photo: A woman collects plastic rubbish, with the Phnom Penh skyline behind her. (ABC News: Athena Zelandonii) Topics: international-aid-and-trade, international-law, unrest-conflict-and-war, cambodia, asia First posted Sun at 2:39pm

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (132106)	3/16/2017 3:10:09 AM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217652

Your post, and the way you elected to cite the link in a highly selective way brought great sadness to me this day, to know that people such as you exist. Do you have kids? Are they daughters? This below is what you cited, to make everything somehow ok, isolated incidence, and non systematic by that Japanese military but systematic, w/ volunteers, for the American army, or some such twisted rationale? A question, to explore, and further understand, to ensure I am not misunderstanding you. chron.com After WWII, Japanese set up 'comfort women' for U.S. troops ERIC TALMADGE, Associated Press Photo: Ahn Young-joon, AP Image 1 of 2 Former South Korean comfort women who were forced to serve as sex slaves for the Japanese Army protest Wednesday in Seoul. TOKYO — Japan's practice of enslaving women to provide sex for its troops in World War II has a little-known sequel: After its surrender — with tacit approval from the U.S. occupation authorities — Japan set up a similar "comfort women" system for American GIs. Historical documents and records indicate U.S. authorities permitted the official brothel system to operate despite internal reports that women were being coerced into prostitution. The Americans also had full knowledge by then of Japan's treatment of women in countries across Asia that it conquered during the war. Tens of thousands of women were employed to provide cheap sex to U.S. troops until the spring of 1946, when Gen. Douglas MacArthur shut the brothels down. Prostitution coercedThe documents show the brothels were rushed into operation as American forces poured into Japan beginning in August 1945."Sadly, we police had to set up sexual comfort stations for the occupation troops," recounts the official history of the Ibaraki Prefectural Police Department, whose jurisdiction is just northeast of Tokyo. "The strategy was, through the special work of experienced women, to create a breakwater to protect regular women and girls." The orders from the Ministry of the Interior came on Aug. 18, 1945, one day before a Japanese delegation flew to the Philippines to negotiate the terms of their country's surrender and occupation. The Ibaraki police immediately set to work. The only suitable facility was a dormitory for single police officers, which they quickly converted into a brothel. Bedding from the navy was brought in, along with 20 comfort women. The brothel opened for business Sept. 20. "As expected, after it opened it was elbow to elbow," the history says. "The comfort women ... had some resistance to selling themselves to men who just yesterday were the enemy, and because of differences in language and race, there were a great deal of apprehensions at first. But they were paid highly, and they gradually came to accept their work peacefully." Police officials and Tokyo businessmen established a network of brothels under the auspices of the Recreation and Amusement Association, which operated with government funds. On Aug. 28, 1945, an advance wave of occupation troops arrived in Atsugi, just south of Tokyo. By nightfall, the troops found the RAA's first brothel. "I rushed there with two or three RAA executives, and was surprised to see 500 or 600 soldiers standing in line on the street," Seiichi Kaburagi, the chief of public relations for the RAA, wrote in a 1972 memoir. He said American MPs were barely able to control the GIs. Kaburagi wrote that the U.S. soldiers paid upfront and were given tickets and condoms. The first RAA brothel, called Komachien — The Babe Garden — had 38 women, but due to high demand that was quickly increased to 100.Each woman serviced from 15 to 60 clients a day. American historian John Dower, in his book Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Wake of WWII, says the charge for a short session with a prostitute was 15 yen, or about a dollar. Kaburagi said the sudden demand forced brothel operators to advertise for women who were not licensed prostitutes. Natsue Takita, a 19-year-old whose relatives had been killed in the war, responded to an ad seeking an office worker. She was told the only positions available were for comfort women and was persuaded to accept the offer. According to Kaburagi's memoirs, Takita jumped in front of a train a few days after the brothel started operations. "The worst victims ... were the women who, with no previous experience, answered the ads calling for 'Women of the New Japan,' " he wrote. 70,000 comfort womenBy the end of 1945, about 350,000 U.S. troops were occupying Japan. At its peak, Kaburagi wrote, the RAA employed 70,000 prostitutes to serve them.Occupation leaders were not blind to the similarities between the comfort women procured by Japan for its own troops and those it recruited for the GIs. A Dec. 6, 1945, memorandum from Lt. Col. Hugh McDonald, a senior officer with the Public Health and Welfare Division of the occupation's General Headquarters, indicates U.S. occupation forces were aware the Japanese comfort women were often coerced. "The girl is impressed into contracting by the desperate financial straits of her parents and their urging, occasionally supplemented by her willingness to make such a sacrifice to help her family," he wrote. Amid concerns that disclosure of the brothels would embarrass the occupation forces back in the U.S., on March 25, 1946, MacArthur placed all brothels, comfort stations and other places of prostitution off-limits. The RAA soon collapsed. Under intense pressure, Japan's government apologized in 1993 for its role in running brothels around Asia and coercing women into serving its troops. The issue remains controversial today. In January, California Rep. Mike Honda offered a resolution in the House condemning Japan's use of sex slaves, in part to renew pressure on Japan ahead of the closure of the Asian Women's Fund, a private foundation created two years after the apology to compensate comfort women. The fund compensated only 285 women in the Philippines, South Korea and Taiwan, out of an estimated 50,000-200,000 comfort women enslaved by Japan's military in those countries during the war. Each received 2 million yen, about $17,800. A handful of Dutch and Indonesian women were also given assistance. The fund closed, as scheduled, on March 31. Haruki Wada, the fund's executive director, said its creation marked an important change in attitude among Japan's leadership and represented the will of Japan's "silent majority" to see that justice is done. He also noted that although it was a private organization, the government was its main sponsor, kicking in 4.625 billion yen, about $40 million. Even so, he admitted it fell short of expectations. "The vast majority of the women did not come forward," he said. As a step toward acknowledging and resolving the exploitation of Japanese women, however, it was a complete failure. Though they were free to do so, no Japanese women sought compensation. "Not one Japanese woman has come forward to seek compensation or an apology," Wada said. "Unless they feel they can say they were completely forced against their will, they feel they cannot come forward." Sent from my iPad

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (132106)

3/16/2017 3:15:08 AM

From: TobagoJack

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Let me give it one more try to save a soul

For if your apologist logic holds, and becomes pervasive, the world is done.

Here below is a piece of research that is in line with the so-called research you cited re comfort women. Does it resonate w/ you in the same way?

For avoidance of doubt, if I misunderstood you I apologize ahead of time. If I did not misunderstand, then I am happy to help you understand.

wintersonnenwende.com

Concentration Camp Money: 'Lagergeld' used to Pay Prisoners for Their Work. Jennifer White.

Concentration Camp Money'Lagergeld' used to Pay Prisoners for Their Work

Article from The Barnes Review, Jan./Feb. 2001, pp. 7-9.
The Barnes Review, 645 Pennsylvania Ave SE, Suite 100, Washington D.C. 20003, USA.
By Jennifer White, administrative director of TBR;
published here with kind permission from TBR.
This digitized version © 2001 by The Scriptorium.

Far from being the "death camps" as you have heard so often, places like Auschwitz, Dachau and Buchenwald were not in the business of extermination. They were work camps, critical to the German war effort. But did you know that the Jewish workers were compensated for their labor with scrip printed specifically for their use in stores, canteens and even brothels? The prisoner monetary system was conceived in ghettos such as Lodz, carried to camps such as Auschwitz and Dachau and still existed in the displaced persons camps that were established by the Allies after World War II. Here is the story of the money the court historians do not want you to even suspect existed.

Piles of incinerated corpses were indicting images at Nuremberg, used to prove that the German-run concentration camps during World War II were intended for purposes of exterminating the Jews of Europe. However, a plethora of documentary evidence, long suppressed, shows that prisoners were relatively well-treated, compensated for their hard work and allowed to purchase luxuries to which even the German public did not have ready access. This is not the image of abject deprivation that the Holocaust lobby would like you to entertain.

The irrefutable proof is the existence of a means of exchange for goods and services: Money. There were at least 134 separate issues, in different denominations and styles, for such notorious places as Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Dachau, Oranienburg, Ravensbrück, Westerbork and at least 15 other camps. (See Paper Money of the World Part I: Modern Issues of Europe by Arnold Keller, Ph.D., 1956, pp. 23-25 for a complete listing.)

A monetary system was also in existence in the ghettos, most notably Theresienstadt and Lodz, which produced beautiful notes (veritable works of art) that make U.S. currency look dull.

There are numerous dealers in rare currency and numismatics who specialize in selling "concentration camp money" or "Holocaust money" as it has been sometimes called. But the very fact of its existence does not seem to have raised questions - as it should have - about what really did (and did not) happen inside the so-called "death camps" where the Holocaust scrip was circulating in the first place.

This scrip was not negotiable outside of the camp for which it was issued. This decreased the chance of a successful escape and made it impossible for the general public to purchase some of the rare luxuries available in the camps. According to Albert Pick in Das Lagergeld der Konzentrations- und D.P.-Lager: 1933-1945:

Inmates were not paid for the work but were given "coupons" now and then to buy things in the "Kantine".... As the war progressed badly and the number of workers declined, the KZ worker potential became important. Offers of "premiums" and other advantages were made to the inmates, tobacco was offered and even visits to bordellos.... In order that these scrips could not be used outside the camps, special money was printed.Letter from Prisoner No. 11647 Block 28/3 Dachau KIII on September 8, 1940 to his relative in Litzmannstadt (Lodz):

I must write you something about myself. I am very well. In the canteen I buy honey, marmalade, cookies, fruit and other food. If you worry about me, you'll indeed be committing a sin. I have more reason to worry about you.... (Letters from the Doomed: Concentration Camp Correspondence 1940-1945, Richard S. Geehr.)There was a payment schedule at Theresienstadt utilizing Th. kr. (Theresienstadt kroner) as the unit of exchange. (The Shekel Vol. XVI, No. 2, March-April 1983 p. 29). The breakdown looked like this:

Working men, according to their jobs: 105-205 Th. kr.
Working women, according to their jobs: 95-205 Th. kr.
Part-time workers: 80 Th. kr.
Caretakers: 70 Th. kr.
War-wounded and holders of the Iron Cross, First Class degree or higher: 195 Th. kr.
Prominente (doctors, professors, scientists, well-known cultural artists and politicians): 145 Th. kr.To put this in perspective, a cup of coffee cost 2 Th. kr. The circulation in Theresienstadt was such that it was necessary to print over 5 million notes. See Papirove Penize Na Uzemi Ceskoslovenska 1762-1975, Second Edition, 1975, Hradek Kralove, trans. by Julius Sem, pp. 134-135.

The first worker's camp to have its own scrip was Oranienburg. Before using the camp scrip they used German currency in nearby towns, but the authorities decided to centralize. Currency was exchanged for camp money, less 30%. (The Shekel, Vol XVI, No. 2, March-April 1983, p. 40: "Concentration Camp Money of the Nazi Holocaust" by Steven Feller.)

Similarly at Buchenwald:

Each prisoner was allowed up to 10 marks per week to be used for the purchase of cigarettes at the camp canteen, other canteen purchases, brothel visits, or credit to a savings account. The regulations went on to specify that a visit to a brothel would cost 2 marks for which 1.5 marks would be kept by the SS and 0.5 marks would be used for "expenses." (Ibid., p. 41.)Was there a similar situation at all of the other camps - at least those that issued currency? As this includes Auschwitz, it would be shocking indeed to even consider marmalade and cigarettes being purchased in this "death camp." Even the existence of money in camps gives us a look at what life was really like there, yet this information has yet to make it to the History Channel.


Infamous and Intricate Camp Money
Dachau "... [W]e must remember that like most other Concentration Camps, Dachau also functioned as a work camp. This explains the appearance of paper tokens printed in 1944.... Dachau's tokens were of three different values: 1, 2 and 3 marks. The prisoner's identification number is written on the front of this green note, alongside the date when it was issued, January 31, 1945. In fact, all of Dachau's tokens list the prisoner's identification numbers." Stahl, pp. 18- 19.Auschwitz "At a death camp it would seem that there was very little need for money." (The Shekel, Vol. XVI, No. 2, March-April 1983, p. 43.)		A Dachau camp note.An Auschwitz camp note.
Theresienstadt Print runs for Theresienstadt Kroner
Denomination 1 Th. kr. 2 Th. kr. 5 Th. kr. 10 Th. kr. 20 Th. kr. 50 Th. kr. 100 Th. kr.	Size 100 x 50 mm 110 x 55 mm 120 x 58 mm 125 x 63 mm 135 x 66 mm 140 x 77 mm 150 x 77 mm	Color Green Rose Blue Brown Green Dk. Green Red-brown	Qty Printed 2,242,000 1,019,000 530,000 456,000 319,000 159,000 279,000
See: The Shekel Vol. XVI, No. 2, March/April 1983, p. 33.

These beautiful Theresienstadt notes, complete with watermarks, demonstrate the high-quality artwork and printing of the money.
Lodz Colors of the different types of currency in Lodz. In print runs in 1940, 1942 and 1944: 50 Pfg. Violet 1 RM Olive-green 2 RM Light Brown 5 RM Dark Brown		Lodz ghetto money.
Information from Das Lagergeld der Konzentrations- und D.P.-Lager: 1933-1945 by Albert Pick and Carl Siemsen.

Bibliography:

American Israel Numismatic Association (Temarac, Florida).

Pick, Albert. Das Lagergeld der Konzentrations- und D.P.-Lager: 1933-1945, Munich, Battenberg Publishers, 1976.

Schöne, Michael H., Das Papiergeld im besetzten Deutschland 1945-1949, Regenstauf: Gietl, 1994.

Stahl, Zvi, Jewish Ghettos and Concentration Camps' Money, 1933-1945, London: D. Richman Books, 1990.

See also:

Campbell, Lance K., Dachau concentration camp scrip, Margate, Florida: American Israel Numismatic Association, 1992.

The Numismatist, April 1981, by Steven Feller.

Numismatic Scrapbook Magazine, 1965, 1996, "POW Money and Medals" by Slabaugh, R. Arlie.

Schultze, Manfred, Unsere Arbeit - unsere Hoffnung: Das Ghetto in Lodz 1940-1945, Schwalmtal: Phil-Creativ, 1995.

Sem, Julius, Standard Catalog of World Paper Money, 1977 (Theresienstadt notes).

Shtarot, Vol. I, No. 2, Oct. 1976. Yasha L. Beresiner.

Concentration Camp Money
'Lagergeld' used to Pay Prisoners for Their Work

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