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To: Dracin72 who wrote (16441)	4/27/2017 4:15:51 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 365296

I thought the basis of all government was at its core to provide security and stability for its people which gives people a reason to begin with to form a collective or government or tribe or whatever term we want to use. Beyond that how much further the government goes on behalf of its people and at the expense of its people is where I thought the theories divulge as to socialism etc.? Technically, socialism is the central government's ownership of the means of production. That means they make the shoes and the shovels and the bread. The term is used more loosely in common parlance. If socialism sticks to its technical meaning, then we need another term for something along the lines of socialism, socialism-lite, if you will, or we can just use the term, socialism, loosely. There's no real danger of confusion between that and the term of art because we don't have prominent countries that fill the bill technically. It seems to me the salient distinction between "something along the lines of socialism" and not-socialism is redistribution. With modern public services, the government provides the facilities and the production but customers pay fees where it's practicable to collect fees. We pay for water based on how much we use because it can be metered. We indirectly pay for road use based on how much we use via gas taxes and sometimes there are tolls. When citizens do not pay for usage but are supplied based on needed usage, we have a different paradigm and a paradigm shift is a perfect place to draw the line. That line is what makes sense to me, anyway.