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To: michael d kugler who wrote (33977)	1/6/1998 9:49:00 PM
From: mtnres	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 55532

So since you've said it all, are you going to stop posting now? EOM

To: michael d kugler who wrote (33977)	1/6/1998 9:51:00 PM
From: TideGlider	Respond to of 55532

Very good post and thank you, not only for the information you have opresented but the experience of seeing the extended limits of your research. I appreciate that.

To: michael d kugler who wrote (33977)	1/6/1998 9:53:00 PM
From: TopCat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 55532

Good post Mike. It reminded me of the first piece of investing advise I ever received. "Bulls make money and Bears make money, but Pigs go broke." TC

To: michael d kugler who wrote (33977)	1/6/1998 9:55:00 PM
From: Riley G	Respond to of 55532

How come you don't post from work anymore? Did you get an official talking to from the boss man/woman? Buying RMIL Tomorrow, Riley G

To: michael d kugler who wrote (33977)	1/6/1998 10:05:00 PM
From: Riley G	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 55532

You are now giving your PROFESSIONAL Advice on the public thread! I thought that these opinions were your personal ones only. Is that against the law (A Brokers professional Opinions on the Internet). And what about the gambling remarks, those are ILLEGAL AS WELL! Read the highlights!!! Buying More RMIL Tomorrow, Riley G ---------------------------- To: Kurt N (33945 ) From: michael d kugler Tuesday, Jan 6 1998 9:41PM EST Reply # of 33980 Kurt, All posters, and lurkers......................... Kurt, I've chosen to respond to your post primarily because, whatever regard you have for me, at the moment, is an irrelevant issue. It is time to get very serious and decide what you want to do tomorrow, or in the near future. You have all heard the story here. There is still the talk of the huge illegal, naked short position in this stock. No one seems to be able to find it, but the mythical Cavalry (who have chosen to have Riley represent them rather than direct representation on this thread) says it exists. There are all the sideline stories, whose supposed importance has only been used to decoy everyone away from the real issues here. And we have all heard about the $5 million and the financials, which are always right around the corner (or "a matter of minutes" as per the Casper story). And you don't have to listen to me, but perhaps you should consider the business judgement of those who have made a decision about your fine company and chosen not to endorse in some cases, and not do business with in others.....Patrick Lanzillo (Palco), Carolyn Tedesco (Transecurities), Brad Herr (Attorney for Transecurities), Daniel Rodriguez (Mary's/Ladies Cutting Service), The Town of Ten Sleep Wyoming, Nelson Vidal (Nelson's/Barons), The United States Securities and Exchange Commission, Michael Burg (MVPH), The Free Trade Zone in Nicauagua (Zona Franca), and please believe me, there are others. And for those of you who have never gone through this experience........ In my professional experience, I don't honestly think I have ever seen a stock open to the upside, the day a trading halt is lifted, but sometimes that is the best price you might see for a while. The rule 15C2-11 says anyone making a market in this stock must be reasonably assured that the financials are timely and accurate. Since no 10-K has been filed, I think you'll be hard pressed to find MM's who will do this. It is likely that if this trades on the BB, the bid/ask spread may be wider than you are used to. If it is relegated to the pink sheets, you will probably see the same phenomena there as well. I can't and won't tell any of you to buy or sell. It is a decision you all have to make for yourselves. You need to decide whether or not this is truly risk capital, the kind you'd bet on a basketball game. The risk from here is about the same IMHO. Just add up the value of your shares, at the bid, and decide how much of it you are potentially prepared to lose. Take a step back, look at the facts, and make a cold financial decision. Again, if this is your first experience in this type of stiuation, remember that part of making money is not losing very much. I routinely lose money buying stocks, but I try to win more than I lose. Nobody is right 100% of the time, and the most difficult part of investing, even with other people's money, is admitting when you're wrong. Pick a target to the upside and downside and stick to it. I have tried to give you the facts, and by and large, my information has proved accurate. No one is contesting my information with any real degree of success. I have given you my sources and provided phone numbers for you to check them out for yourself. Some people here have done just that, and come up with the same answers. Good Luck, whatever your decision.

To: michael d kugler who wrote (33977)	1/6/1998 10:42:00 PM
From: cheese	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 55532

MK, Longs, Shorts, Lurkers and all, (Thoughts on Riley's share count) A while back, a few people posted lists of what they thought it would take for RMIL to survive. I agreed with those lists. 2 items in particular were the $5mm cash infusion for at least short term interest in RMIL and also accurate company share count information for the squeeze. I can't do jack about the $5mm but I thought I'd find out for myself if Riley's numbers jived. I agree with Riley's numbers. I'll try to explain why and at the end will list possible flaws in my conclusion so you all can decide for yourselves. 1) Per Riley's post 33379, there are 11,484,750 Rule 144 Legend shares for the merger. I agree with this (the info is in the 9 Oct 97 8K). These shares don't matter for the squeeze because they are restricted and can't be sold on the market right away. I don't know how long they are restricted. 2) Next line on Riley's list (post 33379) are 1.2mm (approx)insider 144 shares. These are restricted. Again, don't know how long. More on these shares later. 3) Next are the 2,171,081 shares which make up the public float. 4) So, excluding the merger restricted shares, there are 3,371,081 shares of which ~1.2mm are restricted. 5) Per the 4 Apr 97 10QSB, there were 914,401 shares as of March 31, 1996. 6) Per the 4 Apr 97 8K, there were 2,000,000 new shares issuable as part of the Stock Option Plan. 7) Per the 16 May 97 10 QSB, there were 2,571,081 shares as of May 15, 1997. 8) Seems to me they issued some of the 2mm shares listed in 6) above sometime between 4 Apr and 16 May 97. 9) Per the letter SMartin posted (33092) from a Magellan lawyer to an OVIS lawyer (complaining about the issuing of 1.7mm shares under the Stock Option Plan), it states, "...I believe they would view the issuance of almost 1.7mm shares under Form S-8 to outside consultants by a company with 1.4 million shares outstanding as an abuse". The 1.7mm is out of the 2mm in the Stock Option Plan mentioned in 6) above. I will assume the remaining 300,000 were issued. Add the 2mm with the 1.4mm mentioned in the letter and you get 3.4mm shares. The same number (approx) as Riley as mentioned in 4) above. 10) Since Riley's numbers seemed to be confirmed per a Magellan lawyer, it seems safe (IMO) to assume Riley has accurate info on 1.2mm of the shares being restricted insider shares. I'm willing to believe him. Possible flaws in my reasoning: a. I'm not an expert at this stuff. b. I relied on a letter that no one has confirmed actually came from a Magellan lawyer or is even accurate. c. I want this squeeze to work. d. Probably many more possible flaws that I'm sure I'll read about-I am willing to listen. Cheese Still Holding :-)

To: michael d kugler who wrote (33977)	1/6/1998 10:50:00 PM
From: (Bob) Zumbrunnen	Respond to of 55532

That is probably the most excellent post I've ever seen you make. I especially like this: part of making money is not losing very much To me, it's the primary rule of investing/trading.

To: michael d kugler who wrote (33977)	1/6/1998 11:16:00 PM
From: Michael P. Weber	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 55532

Michael, Whats this scare tactics now? How dare you try to scare the shareholders into selling!! What are your real motives here? It appears as though your trying to single handedly tank this stock. WHY? Mike

To: michael d kugler who wrote (33977)	1/7/1998 10:11:00 PM
From: Riley G	Respond to of 55532

To: Kurt N (33945 ) From: michael d kugler Tuesday, Jan 6 1998 9:41PM EST Reply # of 34446 Kurt, All posters, and lurkers......................... Kurt, I've chosen to respond to your post primarily because, whatever regard you have for me, at the moment, is an irrelevant issue. It is time to get very serious and decide what you want to do tomorrow, or in the near future. You have all heard the story here. There is still the talk of the huge illegal, naked short position in this stock. No one seems to be able to find it, but the mythical Cavalry (who have chosen to have Riley represent them rather than direct representation on this thread) says it exists. There are all the sideline stories, whose supposed importance has only been used to decoy everyone away from the real issues here. And we have all heard about the $5 million and the financials, which are always right around the corner (or "a matter of minutes" as per the Casper story). And you don't have to listen to me, but perhaps you should consider the business judgement of those who have made a decision about your fine company and chosen not to endorse in some cases, and not do business with in others.....Patrick Lanzillo (Palco), Carolyn Tedesco (Transecurities), Brad Herr (Attorney for Transecurities), Daniel Rodriguez (Mary's/Ladies Cutting Service), The Town of Ten Sleep Wyoming, Nelson Vidal (Nelson's/Barons), The United States Securities and Exchange Commission, Michael Burg (MVPH), The Free Trade Zone in Nicauagua (Zona Franca), and please believe me, there are others. And for those of you who have never gone through this experience........ In my professional experience, I don't honestly think I have ever seen a stock open to the upside, the day a trading halt is lifted, but sometimes that is the best price you might see for a while. The rule 15C2-11 says anyone making a market in this stock must be reasonably assured that the financials are timely and accurate. Since no 10-K has been filed, I think you'll be hard pressed to find MM's who will do this. It is likely that if this trades on the BB, the bid/ask spread may be wider than you are used to. If it is relegated to the pink sheets, you will probably see the same phenomena there as well. I can't and won't tell any of you to buy or sell. It is a decision you all have to make for yourselves. You need to decide whether or not this is truly risk capital, the kind you'd bet on a basketball game. The risk from here is about the same IMHO. Just add up the value of your shares, at the bid, and decide how much of it you are potentially prepared to lose. Take a step back, look at the facts, and make a cold financial decision. Again, if this is your first experience in this type of stiuation, remember that part of making money is not losing very much. I routinely lose money buying stocks, but I try to win more than I lose. Nobody is right 100% of the time, and the most difficult part of investing, even with other people's money, is admitting when you're wrong. Pick a target to the upside and downside and stick to it. I have tried to give you the facts, and by and large, my information has proved accurate. No one is contesting my information with any real degree of success. I have given you my sources and provided phone numbers for you to check them out for yourself. Some people here have done just that, and come up with the same answers. Good Luck, whatever your decision.

To: michael d kugler who wrote (33977)	1/7/1998 10:17:00 PM
From: Riley G	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 55532

To: michael d kugler (33467 ) From: Riley G Monday, Jan 5 1998 10:47PM EST Reply # of 33555 Were in the 8K does it say that RMCW will not be actively pursuing the MVPH $14 million in assets. The 8K says that RMIL is not making this part of the merger agreement. I love this as it saves RMIL 6 million Rule 144 shares in 1 year, plus if RMCW does get the assets later. Then RMCW can sell it off or do whatever they wish! A possible Win-Win Situation for all shareholders. Another example of your sick and twisted spinn on positive news! Shareholders maybe coming after YOU in a classaction suit. I can feel your need to tank RMIL as I believe that you may be getting a benefit for being here! I'll let a jury decide the damages that you and others may wind up paying us RMIL shareholders! Riley G -------- 6.Ref. Rocky Mountain Crystal Water, Inc. An 8K dated 10/7/97 was filed reference the merger of Rocky Mountain Crystal Water, Inc., and Olympus Ventures, Inc. In this agreement Rocky Mountain was to transfer 4,000,000 shares of MVP Holdings, with a guaranteed value of $14,000,000 at the end of the twelfth month of the merger. In this agreement the Company held back 6,000,000 shares of the Company's common stock as protection against the asset not being available at the end of the required time. An amendment to the agreement has removed the 4,000,000 shares and the Company will not issue the 6,000,000 shares of the Company's common stock. Per the agreement with Rocky Mountain Crystal Water, Inc. was to receive $5,000,000 from an outside investor within 30 days of the signing. Since that date the Company has given two 30 day extensions. The Company has received a copy of a letter from the investor dated January 1 1998, advising Rocky Mountain Crystal Water, Inc. that the funds were in processing at this time, the Company has now given another 30-day extension due to the above mentioned letter. ------------------ Message from michael d kugler on Jan 5 1998 8:41PM EST Michael, Were you misinformed about MVPH or were you deliberately trying to mislead people here?

To: michael d kugler who wrote (33977)	1/7/1998 10:19:00 PM
From: Riley G	Respond to of 55532

>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:35:56 EST >Subject: WE ARE HERE!! HOLDING TILL WE SQUEEZE THE MM'S!!! >Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) >X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) > >Riley, >We just laugh at Kugler's post ALL the time, especially when he thinks we dont >exist. Actually, that is good, so that he and his boss doesn't know what hit >them, when this is over. > >Tell everyone, we are just ignoring ALL of Kugler's and Naysayers posts on SI. >We appreciate all the hard work of Pugs, YOU, and everybody else except the >NAYS! It goes to show that we are really in to something BIG! It's great >actually, to hear how desperate the NAYS in trying to shake the shares of the >LONGS of RMIL. > >We are here and staying till the end. Watch the Nays squirm when RMIL becomes >offensive on their press releases....JUST WATCH! > >The CAVALRY >Not selling! Just BUYING! > >***P.S. Joseph Charles and HJ Meyers called us again, offering us to sell some >of our positions.....We told them....NO!