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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: i-node who wrote (21961)	6/17/2017 11:28:39 PM
From: puborectalis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 364319

The president has stepped back from the Trump Organization, turning over control to his adult sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, in addition to a top Trump Organization executive. However, the president did not place the assets into a blind trust or divest from his business interests, a move that many ethics experts had deemed necessary for the president to avoid conflicts of interests. As Politico noted, Trump has gone as far as having Donald Jr. and Eric give updates on the company's finances.

To: i-node who wrote (21961)	6/17/2017 11:30:57 PM
From: puborectalis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 364319

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To: i-node who wrote (21961)	6/18/2017 12:53:17 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 364319

Hmmmm. I found the podcast very interesting. On this thread early on we were heavily discussing what propelled the Trump vote, populism, city vs country, jobs, etc. When you see something like the Trump movement the first reaction is what in the world would possess those people to do that. Normally in elections we have people who prefer the direction of these guys and people who prefer the direction of those guys. We may think that either these guys or those guys are way off the track but we can understand at some level how other people may see it differently. The Trump thing was not that. It was that the world had gone mad. Now, there are two ways of dealing with that. One is to write off "those people" as stupid or dupes or rubes or whatever. The other is to try to figure out what's going on. That podcast was one of a long line of folks trying to get a handle on it and there will be plenty more to come. We can only look at things through our own eyes framed by our own experiences. Regardless of the arena, outsiders just don't process things the same way that insiders do and that means that in naturally framing things in a way that makes sense to them, they miss the target in the eyes of an insider. We do best at learning about alien groups when we have guidance from people who have one foot in each camp, can relate to both, and can bridge the gap. Hillbilly Elegy is an example of that. Another example of that, and the reason I watch him, is Morning Joe, who can pull from both, who understands both languages. The problem with understanding of the Trump phenomenon is that the people who do the types of analysis I'm talking about are likely to come from the cosmopolitan set, academics, probably sociologists, and we all know the frame of reference of sociologists. I have yet to see anything written by a Trump voter insider perspective that is designed to explain the phenomenon in the language of the outsider. There were several things in the podcast that I found particularly interesting. One was the "I'm not a racist, but...," discussion, which I didn't quite buy. Another was the notion that it doesn't matter to his constituent loyalty if Trump delivers. I was already familiar with the notion about being silenced by political correctness. I've heard that from a friend for whom it is a hot button. And I have been following for some time the notion of nostalgia and the loss of control in the context of conservative Christians--losing ground is a bitch--so the expansion of that to the white working class was not novel to me. I was going to comment but I just can't say what I think. I thought those nitwits were outrageously ignorant. Both of them. Out of respect for your reaction, I listened to it through a second time. Not sure whether your comment about not saying what you think is the political correctness silencing referred to in the podcast or concern about Bentway's reaction... <g>