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To: denizen48 who wrote (22118)	6/20/2017 9:41:23 AM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 362685

'Single payer' has only one meaning, that there is a single payer, the government. As i-node reminded me earlier, 'universal coverage' does not equate to 'single payer'. As Trump teaches us through his tweets, words matter.

To: denizen48 who wrote (22118)	6/20/2017 12:19:18 PM
From: Lane3	1 Recommendation Recommended By TimF Respond to of 362685

You adressed all my points? You musta learned that thinking at Trump U. You made four numbered points framed as back of the envelope. I addressed each of them by number. I'm quite capable of counting to four. I imagine that even Trump U alums can do that. My point is that WP editorial is swiss cheese, and should not be taken seriously. I noticed that point but declined to engage it with you. What I engaged, instead, was the cost of single payer. Single Payer has a lot of different meanings. One of the main ones is that health care insurance should be non-profit. That is what the German insurance system is. Single payer is a concept that means, er, one payer. As in monopsony. It does not have "a lot of different meanings" although there may be some variety in implementation. Single payer does imply that the insurance component is non-profit given that the single-payer role as a practical matter is pretty much confined to the government, whose revenues are not thought of as profit but as taxes, but single payer is not non-profit by definition but by extension. Germany is not single payer. Germany has more than a hundred non-profit payers. A non-profit payer system can be single- or multi-payer. Monopsony and non-profit are different concepts. Universal coverage is a third concept, different from both single payer and non-profit. Who pays, whether the payer profits, and who is covered are all different concepts although they often travel together. For purpose of a discussion about how much single payer might cost in the US we have only Berniecare, as described and costed by the Urban Institute and referenced by the WaPo editorial. That's all there is to go on. Berniecare is single payer and non-profit payer with universal coverage.