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To: SmoothSail who wrote (640706)	8/21/2017 6:21:55 PM
From: Alan Smithee	1 Recommendation Recommended By Bearcatbob Respond to of 794411

In addition, the guided-missile cruiser USS Lake Champlain collided with a South Korean fishing vessel on May 9 off the Korean Peninsula and the guided-missile cruiser USS Antietam ran aground Jan. 31 in Tokyo Bay, near its home port of Yokosuka, Japan. It's sounding like the Seventh Fleet has a real problem.

To: SmoothSail who wrote (640706)	8/23/2017 6:47:12 PM
From: greenspirit	Respond to of 794411

Interesting AIS capture of the collision. The USS McCain had its AIS transponder off, not unusual for a Naval vessel. Unless they performed a radical maneuver to port prior to the collision, it looks to me like the Alnic did not see the McCain and basically ran it over. Notice at 49 sec how the Gwang Zhoe reacts to the McCain, and maneuvers right to go around it. The question I have, if what I say is true regarding the angles of the two vessels, why was the McCain going so slow in the traffic lane? It doesn't appear as if the Alnic was going unusually fast. That brings into question Rule #6. It would be very unusual for Rule 6 to come into play, without the presence of fog, Admiralty courts have rarely held a vessel responsible for going too slow. Therefore, my best guess is the Alnic violated the Rules of the Road, she was in an overtaking situation and came up on the McCain abaft the beam and therefore should have altered course to avoid collision. Notwithstanding anything contained in the Rules of Part B, Sections I and II any vessel overtaking any other shall keep out of the way of the vessel being overtaken. This of course is completely null and void if the McCain was attempting to cross the traffic separation scheme. We cannot tell that with certainty viewing the AIS picture. I hope the AIS picture gives everyone a better sense of how busy large ports are today. The amount of cargo moving around the world is growing significantly every year. Just another reason why pipelines are important. Moving oil via pipelines is a lot safer than moving it via the ocean on cargo ships.