To: TobagoJack who wrote (136713 ) 11/12/2017 11:11:39 PM From: elmatador Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 217986 We made progress: Teo+D.I wil not come via wars. Now to your questions:where did that subject come from? From the USA Today counterposing saber rattling to the deals just closed by DJT with Xi. You missed that connection which is not very good as show you are not a good reader. No good reader? No good student. you think d.i. has to do w/ wars between large continental-scale nations? No I do not. I mentioned Joseph Schumpter idea that trading nations are unwarlike. Now to the history part of a collapse that did not start with wars. Teo+D.I not coming via wars, we would need to see it through history, as you point. Let's take the Bronze Superior Collapse as an example as TEO+D.I because that already happened about 3.500 years ago and is well studied. Of course you versed in history as you say you are, you know the Bronze Superior Collapse. I use it because I study collapses through history to come to know our collapses of today and explain why China could go Bronze Superior. There are 2 theories: Lack of to make Bronze Tin and Copper triggered the Bronze Superior collapse. Either by exhausting the supplies of the materials or cutting the supply routes Or Invasions by the so called 'Sea Peoples'. I derived an alternative: The societies that prospered by the move from ceramics to Bronze grew rich and powerful. The PRICE OF COPPER AND TIN increased and the cities were too big and too expensive to run to afford the now expensive materials. Inflation skyrocketed. and as you know it had nothing to do with fiat currencies as they were not yet invented by the time the Bronze Superior collapsed. See, the economics of the cities could not produce wealth enough to pay for the now expensive bronze as copper and tin peaked. They collapsed, hence Teo. And a D.I, ensued and the new world order -by other peoples- was born and prospered by the Iron age. Today, as a parallel I look to oil. If oil goes to dear, people could no longer afford it. Inflation would skyrocket. Oil being just an example. But, most important to you: I apply my theory to China. It may get too expensive to run and as such susceptible to an increase of an input that leads to economic collapse. You can read me saying: conserve your capital do not go spending $60 billion just because you like Venezuela or Angola. Do not create an expensive defense establishment, Do not go banking Laos or Caucasus backwaters. All that to have enough dry powder to fight collapse. History guides my views of the world.