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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (50265)	1/1/2018 11:13:55 AM
From: koan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 363491

koan:"How about if everyone is standing up, which is what I advocate. lane: "If everyone is standing at a concert, they are not better off than if everyone is sitting and standing costs them more than does sitting. It's less efficient to stand. koan 2:"LIke I said it was a silly analogy, my point is let's educate everyone. koan: "The standing up at a concert is a silly analogy. We are talking about getting educated for crying out loud. lane: "It's only silly if you don't get it. Handling abstraction is a cognitive skill. koan 2:" trust me I get it, and it is a bad analogy. That analogy is a perfect formula for making the US dumber than it already is. We need to educate more people not less." Trump is president because we are dumber than most other western democracies. If we have mass education we will elect better politicians because people will understand the difference between a smart person like FDR and the villiage idiot like Trump. koan: "Who encourages their kids not to go to college? lane: "You continue to miss the point of the piece, even after I quoted to you the author recommending that individuals go to college. The critical element of his piece is the differentiation between the value of individual education to the individual and the marginal value of mass education to society" koan 2: " I did not miss the point at all. mass education is even more important to society and our democracy than it is to the individual. As mentioned, we have Trump as a president because our electorate is too uneducated. Trump won the uneducated white person by something like 40 points over Hillary. The better educated everyone is in society, the better government we will elect. Just look at who people elect in uneducated countries and educated countries. Compare Trudeau, and Macron to Trump! koan: "People need to learn to be curious. It comes with intellectual development. lane:"Curiosity is mostly an inherent trait. Rather like motivation, natural curiosity can be stifled or fostered but not instilled. koan2:" Of course it can be instilled. There dos seem to be an inherent curiosity, but there is also a learned curiosity. The more a person knows, the more they learn to think, the more curious they will be about the world. It comes back to you not understanding how a mind changes when it is educated. A person who understands science, or history, or anthropology, or philosophy, or existentialism, etc, will be a lot more curious than a person who doesn't. Most of the Republicans in the country cannot even grasp evolution and global warming and the fallacy of trickle down economics, all 10 cent realities. The reason is their lack of education. Evolution is repeated in the labs around the world a 100 times a day, yet most Republicans don't believe in it. That is why only 6% of scientists are Republicans and 81% lean democratic and 51% are liberals. Pew poll. koan: "One of the primary things, if not the primary thing, leading to income inequality is that virtually all of the rich (and people with a college education) make sure their kids go to pre school and college and so they end up the bosses and the poor end up working for them for peanuts. lane: "Sure, but if everyone goes to college like the kids of the rich and educated, how will the bosses and the grunts be determined? There will always be bosses and workers. It's just a question of the admission criteria for each. What criteria do you prefer? Lottery? Might? Payoff? Election? Beauty contest? Height? Heredity?How about if everyone is standing up, which is what I advocate. koan2:" that is an elitist idea.I sure do not want only the kids of the rich to be the bosses. If everyone is educated, bosses will be picked by individual capabilities as determined by people who hire them. And what it will do is level the playing field for everyone. The poor kid who is a worker, will have fair chance to compete with the lazy rich kid. Employee's are not picked by lottery. I have hired a zillion of people. But there are basic requirements like reading and writing and math, then I look at the individual.