SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: zzpat who wrote (1047128)1/9/2018 1:00:02 PM
From: RetiredNow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573096
 
LOL. I didn't say that and you know it. First of all, child rape is an action, not a speech. We have been talking about Freedom of Speech. Child rape is not only abhorrent, unethical, and a sin, it is also illegal and unconstitutional in this country. I am categorically against that, especially as practiced routinely by Muslims, who believe it is ok for children to marry as young as the age of 9. Second, getting back to the free speech discussion, you've shown no proof that Y. is a proponent of child rape. So you are making a giant leap of logic, which demonstrates your inability to think properly and reason normally. But even if you did provide that proof, which would not surprise me in the least, because I find Y. repellant, that does not mean Y. was planning to speak about child rape at Berkeley. You are now becoming a proponent of banning a speaker for what he MAY say, rather than what he INTENDS to say. That's a whole new level of censorship that is simply not consistent with 230 years of common law and Constitutional law in this country. In fact, from what I have seen Y. speaks about pretty mainstream conservative topics that liberals and progressives disagree with. Admittedly, I've only watched one speech of his on youtube and he never said anything about child rape, but rather he spent most of his time systematically destroying the positions of liberals and progressives. I found some of the things he said funny and others nonsensical. Overall, I found him to be snide, arrogant, narcissistic, and generally repellant. In short, he's a shock jock. But his speech is protected under our laws. Protection of free speech is worth it in the long run, even if we have to listen to shock jocks and nonsense along the way. Censorship leads to tyranny. I'll choose freedom every day over tyranny.

As a thought experiment, since you are a liberal and we both agree that people should marry whomever they want as long as both people are at the age of legal majority, let's talk about LGBTQ free speech. Many people in the US are Christian. Christians typically have a religion based objection to homosexuality. In the Bible, God says that the homosexual acts performed in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were an abomination and God took retribution on those cities for their corruption. The Christians who are Bible literalists have an understandably black and white position against homosexuality. Even though I am a Catholic, I don't agree with that position, because a) I don't believe I have a right to sit in judgement of other people and God will judge them when they die, and b) I don't believe our Government should be involved in setting laws to adjudicate religious issues. Therefore, the government should not care who marries whom, only that all are adults and all are treated equally under the law. Now, let's take that foundation to freedom of speech. Groups that support LGBTQ issues give speeches all the time that are highly offensive to these Christians. Should we ban that too, because it would trigger discomfort in some Christians? I know liberals love to create safe spaces for people who believe they are victims, so they won't be triggered or feel discomfort of any kind. However, my answer is no, we should not ban the speech of LGBTQ proponents, but rather, we should protect their freedom of speech. Just because speech is offensive doesn't mean it should be censored. That is the basis of Freedom of Speech. You don't have to like it, but you do have to follow the law and the Constitution.