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To: koan who wrote (1054122)2/10/2018 11:10:39 AM
From: locogringo  Respond to of 1576627
 
don't miss this point:

Poll: Americans ‘Overwhelmingly’ Believe Obama ‘Improperly Surveilled’ Trump Campaign



An IBD/TIPP poll shows that “Americans overwhelmingly believe the Obama administration ‘improperly surveilled’ Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.” Despite the disgraced American media’s best and most cynical efforts to bury the truth, and to even stop the truth from ever seeing the light of day, this poll (and another addressed below) demonstrate that the American people are almost entirely tuning the partisan, mostly-hysterical news media out and looking to alternative media for the truth. There is simply no other way to explain these poll results, which unambiguously prove that a majority of the public believe the exact opposite of what
an unceasing, coordinated media campaign wants them to believe — which is that President Trump colluded with the Russians to win the 2016 campaign and that the heroic FBI is being unfairly smeared by Trump’s eeeevil defenders. Well, despite more than a year of this relentless propaganda coming from all four corners of the mainstream media’s fabricated reality, here are the results from all four corners of actual reality…

A clear majority of 55 percent believe it is “likely” that the Obama administration “improperly surveilled the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.” That includes 31 percent of Democrats, 87 percent of Republicans, and 55 percent of Independents.

A clear majority of 54 percent want a special counsel to investigate “whether the FBI and the Department of Justice improperly surveilled the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential election.” Only 44 percent said no. The partisan breakdown shows that 74 percent of Republicans and 50 percent of Independents want a special counsel — as do a full 44 percent of Democrats.

In this particular poll, one fairly positive result for the FBI and Justice Department is that only 35 percent believe these institutions attempted to outright frame President Trump for colluding with the Russians.

A just-released Rasmussen poll, however, shows that a full 50 percent of Americans “believe it’s at least somewhat likely senior federal law enforcement officials broke the law in an effort to prevent Donald Trump from winning the presidency.” Only 40 percent disagree.

Another Rasmussen poll from this week shows that only 42 percent of Americans believe Russia meddled in the 2016 presidential election more than the FBI. Moreover, a full 34 percent believe the FBI meddled more than the Russians, while 24 percent are unsure.

In other words, we now live in a country where 58 percent of Americans either believe our own FBI meddled in a presidential election more than a hostile foreign government, or are not sure the FBI did not.

Meanwhile, Trump’s approval rating is running ahead of former-President Obama’s at this point in his failed presidency.

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To: koan who wrote (1054122)2/10/2018 11:44:11 AM
From: Sdgla  Respond to of 1576627
 
Simple to offset your derangement. Of course you ignore any POV that opposes yours.. which proves your derangement.

Obama lied about Ocare.
Obama lied about the Iran agreement.
Obama lied about the IRS.
Obama lied about his DOJ and Hillaries classified email leaks.
Obama lied about Benghazi ... on the world stage in front of the UN.

Just a few points that show Obamas derangement that you are in denial about.

Nothing but clear proof from the center of the aisle that you can not refute.

All you have o POTUS Trump are dnc memes.

The Trump economy is booming. You can not argue that.
The Trump FP’s are succeeding. You can not argue that.
The Trump success on the Court judges are exceeding all expectations.

Your DNC hasn’t a single policy to stand behind other than standing for illegal immigration and failed cities like Baltimore & Chicago.



To: koan who wrote (1054122)2/12/2018 7:55:38 AM
From: RetiredNow1 Recommendation

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gamesmistress

  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1576627
 
There is no doubt that he's a puff artist and politically incorrect in his speech. However, he brings up some very good points and has the right stand on many issues. For example, why does the US have to carry the lion's share of the NATO budget when European countries aren't paying their fair share, according to the NATO compact, not by a long shot? Trump's right to pressure them. Also, TPP was a trade deal that was designed to create a one size fits all set of rules between all countries and would have cost the US trillions, even as other signatories would have benefitted greatly. Why does the US always have to enter into trade deals that ultimately benefit everyone, but use the US as a piggy bank to finance the development of 2nd and 3rd world countries? Trump was right to pull out of that.

On another point, you know that I have been VERY consistent in my support of climate change issues. I disagree with the GOP on this and have done for a very long time. However, why would the US sign on to the Paris Climate Accord when the result over a 50 year period was designed to be a slow down of the acceleration by 0.1%? In other words, there was going to be zero actual reduction of the green house gases! It's kind of like our politicians always saying they are going to bend the curve on spending, but they never actually balance the budget. It's lies designed to make us feel good, but not make actual progress. In addition the Paris accord was going to cost the US several trillions over that 50 years, most of it paid out to developing countries to incentivize them not to use dirty energy. Once again, another world agreement designed to be paid for by the American people, while achieving no real results. Trump was right to pull out of the Paris Accord.

On the monstrosity of the tax bill just passed and signed, Trump was right to incentivize bringing corporations overseas money back home and he was right that corporate tax decreases would create a new climate of capital investment in the US. Those things will help us be very competitive with overseas companies, as evidence by the alarm in Europe over the impact to their own companies when our bill was passed. Trump was right on these things. However, I do think that not enough was done to help the 99% in that tax bill and I am vociferously against anything that increases the deficit, which this tax bill does in spades.

So while you guys are busy demonizing Trump, he is doing some things that are right on the economy. He is not evil. He's just a very polarizing figure. Like all human beings, he has some good in him as well as some incompetence. Unfortunately for him, part of his incompetence is his diarrhea of the mouth and twitter, which amplifies his shortcomings for the world to see.

Lastly, as to whether or not the world loves him, I couldn't care less. I know it is the goal of the liberals to remake the US in Europe's image, but I don't share that vision. Europe is a damned socialist mess and they are being overrun by Muslims, which is destroying European culture and the Western, Christian values that we all fought so hard for. I am glad that the US is going in a different direction. We only have a decade or so left before the millennials take over the baton from the Baby Boomers, which means we'll start to look one hell of a lot like Europe in the very near future, with all its socialism, Islamism, and inability to defend or pay for itself. The longer we can delay that outcome, the better in my book. The US is still strong despite all the efforts of its own people to destroy ourselves. Trump represents a rearguard effort to delay that future. So I'm cheering him on.



To: koan who wrote (1054122)2/12/2018 12:30:57 PM
From: RetiredNow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1576627
 
Koan,
if you are at all unbiased, I urge you to read the article below in its entirety and think on it a bit, before you reply to my post. Hillary is a monster. Trump is getting a very bad rap on all this Russia Gate nonsense. He's guilty of a lot of things, including his diarrhea of the mouth and twitter barrages, and all the other undignified things he does, but he's not guilty of Russia collusion and this Mueller investigation is very destructive of the peaceful transition of power that the US became known for. Soft coups are not the way to solve problems, because they destroy our Democratic institutions. If the Democrats succeed in pinning a false allegation on Trump, then those same methods will be used against the Democrats in the future. That's not a country I want to live in. Again, you and I used to be on the same side, when we voted for Obama all those years ago. In memory of that, please read the below in full, before you respond.

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Peeling back the layers of Hillary Clinton’s deceit
By Michael Goodwin

February 10, 2018 | 10:20pm | Updated

For law enforcement, Congress and even journalists, exposing misdeeds is like peeling an onion. Each layer you remove gets you closer to the truth.

So it is with the scandalous behavior of the FBI during its probe into whether President Trump’s campaign conspired with Russia in 2016. One layer at a time, we’re learning how flawed and dirty that probe was.

A top layer involves the texts between FBI lawyer Lisa Page and her married lover, Peter Strzok, the lead agent on the Hillary Clinton email probe. They casually mention an “insurance policy” in the event Trump won the election and a plan for Strzok to go easy on Clinton because she probably would be their next boss.

Those exchanges, seen in the light of subsequent events, lead to a reasonable conclusion that the fix was in among then-Director James Comey’s team to hurt Trump and help Clinton.

Another layer involves the declassified House memo, which indicates the FBI and Justice Department depended heavily on the unverified Russian dossier about Trump to get a warrant to spy on Carter Page, an American citizen and briefly a Trump adviser.

The House memo also reveals that Comey and others withheld from the secret surveillance court key partisan facts that would have cast doubt on the dossier. Officials never revealed to the judges that the document was paid for by Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee or that Christopher Steele, the British former spy who compiled the dossier, said he was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected.”

A third layer of the onion involves the revelations in the letter GOP Sens. Charles Grassley and Lindsey Graham wrote to the Justice Department. They urge a criminal investigation into whether Steele lied to the FBI about how much and when he fed the dossier to the anti-Trump media.

The letter is compelling in showing that Steele said one thing under oath to a British court and something different to the FBI. The contradictions matter because the agency relied on Steele’s credibility in both the FISA applications and its actual investigation. Strangely, even after it fired him for breaking its rule forbidding media contact, the FBI continued to praise his credibility in court.

If that were all the senators’ letter accomplished, it would be enough. But it does much more.

It also reveals that two former journalists linked to Clinton, separately identified as the odious Sidney Blumenthal and a man named Cody Shearer, created and gave a State Department official additional unverified allegations against Trump.

The official passed those documents to Steele, who passed them to the FBI, which reportedly saw them as further evidence that Trump worked with Russians. But as Grassley, head of the Judiciary Committee, and Graham write, “It is troubling enough that the Clinton Campaign funded Mr. Steele’s work, but that these Clinton associates were contemporaneously feeding Mr. Steele allegations raises additional concerns about his credibility.”

The State Department official involved in the episode, Jonathan Winer, wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post Friday in which he confessed to the senators’ chronology while offering a benign description of his motives. Winer also admitted he shared all the unverified allegations from the Clinton hitmen with other State Department officials.

There are many more layers of the onion to peel, but here’s where we are now: It increasingly appears that the Clinton machine was the secret, original source of virtually all the allegations about Trump and Russia that led to the FBI investigation.

In addition, the campaign and its associates, including Steele, were behind the explosion of anonymously sourced media reports during the fall of 2016 about that investigation.

Thus, the Democratic nominee paid for and created allegations against her Republican opponent, gave them to law enforcement, then tipped friendly media to the investigation. And it is almost certain FBI agents supporting Clinton were among the anonymous sources.

In fact, the Clinton connections are so fundamental that there probably would not have been an FBI investigation without her involvement.

That makes hers a brazen work of political genius — and perhaps the dirtiest dirty trick ever played in presidential history. Following her manipulation of the party operation to thwart Bernie Sanders in the primary, Clinton is revealed as relentlessly ruthless in her quest to be president.

The only thing that went wrong is that she lost the election. And based on what we know now, her claims about Trump were false.

Of the charges against four men brought by special counsel Robert Mueller, none involves helping Russia interfere with the election.

And neither the FBI nor Mueller has vouched for the truthfulness of the Blumenthal and Shearer claims or the Steele dossier. ­Instead, the dossier faces defamation lawsuits in the US and England from several people named in it.

In fairness, one person besides Steele has been cited as justification for the FBI probe. George Papadopoulos, a bit but ambitious player in the Trump orbit, early in 2016 met with a professor in Europe who told him the Kremlin had Clinton’s private emails.

In May 2016, Papadopoulos told the story to an Australian diplomat and two months later, in July, the Australian government alerted the FBI.

However, a full timeline convincingly points to Steele as the initial spark. He was hired by a Clinton contractor in June 2016, and filed his first allegations against Trump on June 20. Two weeks later, on July 5, he met with an FBI agent in London, the Washington Post reported, and filed three more allegations that month, including one about Carter Page.

At any rate, it is certain that Steele and other Clinton operators provided all the allegations about Trump himself that the FBI started with and that Mueller inherited.

For Clinton, creating a cloud over Trump’s presidency and helping to put the nation through continuing turmoil is a victory of sorts. America is fortunate it’s her only victory.