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To: epicure who wrote (362944)

2/11/2018 12:49:43 AM

From: Sun Tzu

Respond to of 541878

A couple of points:

From Wikipedia (emphasis mine): Obama, a Democrat, took office following a decisive victory over Republican John McCain in the 2008 presidential election. Democrats controlled both houses of Congress until Republicans won a majority in the House of Representatives in the 2010 elections. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Barack_Obama

So if you think that with a decisive victory and both houses of Congress he could not have done better, then you are right: "someone is wrong on the internet"- isn't going to make me waste a lot of my time.

As to the rest of what I said, it is all a matter of public record and you can easily look them up. For example, NPR has a documentary on how horrified and demoralized GOP was after the election and how they calculated to take advantage of Obama and claw their way back. You can also look up Obama's campaign promises of change and contrast them with his inaugural speech and more importantly with his behavior and note the lack of any *significant* change. Or you can look up comments by both the neocons and progressives and observe how much both sides agreed that Obama is not all that different from GWB. Here's some sample:

“It seems to me that the approach that the Obama administration is following is consistent with and really derived from the Bush administration approach to the War on Terror,” John Bolton . "NSA is actually empowered to do more things than I was empowered to do under President Bush's special authorization," Michael Hayden . “Everything that people hated about the Bush administration, Obama has either continued or extended on,” Randy Short

So yes, I stand by what I said, but "someone is wrong on the internet"- isn't going to make me waste a lot of my time.

To: epicure who wrote (362944)	2/11/2018 10:51:22 AM
From: Alex MG	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541878

While we're at it let's also blame Obama for one of Trump's goons beating his wives At the top of her Fox News program last night, Judge Jeanine Pirro — one of the loudest pro-Trump voices in the media — provided a full-throated defense of White House Chief of Staff John Kelly amid the growing Rob Porter scandal. And part of her defense was to somehow point the finger at the previous administration. Highlighting a timeline in which Kelly first gained full knowledge of the severity of the allegations and told Porter to leave within 40 minutes, Pirro pointed out that Kelly couldn’t have known Porter was a wife-beater beforehand since Porter didn’t walk around with a “scarlet letter.” She went on to state who the real people to blame for this controversy are. “So for everyone who is looking for someone to blame, chill out,” she exclaimed. “You want to blame someone, blame it on the batterer.” And then we got this. “You want to stop a four-star general who makes a decision within 40 minutes because you hate Donald Trump? Find another scapegoat. You might want to look at the last president,” Pirro declared. She then brought on former Trump aide and current Fox News talking head Seb Gorka to discuss the matter, with Gorka claiming that the FBI may have deliberately gummed up the works in giving Porter a security clearance so that this scandal would hit the White House and harm Trump.