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To: i-node who wrote (56956)2/19/2018 10:11:27 AM
From: Alighieri  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 361827
 
The problem here is that it hasn't been shown in any scientific manner that banning these weapons yields the slightest improvent.


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Al



To: i-node who wrote (56956)2/19/2018 11:20:54 AM
From: altair19  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 361827
 
i-node

<I have said in this thread more than once I am open to a ban if it can be shown it will make a difference. It is, however, a dubious proposition. The bump stock is another matter, it is an absurd device and should be banned>

We can agree on bump stocks....good. Now a question for you...have you ever used an assault rifle like an AR 15? If not, go to a firing range and use one so that the issue is no longer an abstraction for you. I was issued one in the Army (M16). I can assure you, they only have one purpose and are designed to inflict maximum damage in the shortest amount of time. Hunters don't use them. Please share your thoughts on where, in an civilian environment other than a firing range, an AR15 should be used.

I don't understand your timidity in making change in fundamental rights...a number of them have been changed since the founding of the country...e.g. right to vote.

Go study what happened in Australia as a data point....there's a 1/1 correlation when they banned assault rifles. Even the Brady Bill, before the repubs stuffed it, reflected a decrease in deaths from assault rifles. Why are you looking for the perfect solution...it's not an either/or....it's beginning a change process.

Can you suggest ways to stop the slaughter by assault rifles? And when I mean stop, I mean decrease the frequency of events...not looking for perfect...just a good trend.

As for the tradeoff between the public good and the Bill of Rights. You don't think there would be a benefit if assault rifles were banned? Listen to the student at Parkland as a start....or the parents at Sandy Hook.

Altair19



To: i-node who wrote (56956)2/19/2018 12:39:09 PM
From: combjelly  Respond to of 361827
 
Anything of the sort. A vague, ambiguous statement.

Have you said it directly, no. But you take the suggestion, claim without proof that it wouldn't make any difference, and then dismiss it as ineffective. Again without proof.

That is essentially the same thing. Despite your claims.