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To: combjelly who wrote (58668)	3/1/2018 3:22:57 PM
From: i-node	Respond to of 361291

>> In this case we know, for example, that when guns are restricted, not only does the suicide rate with guns goes down, so does the overall suicide rate. I would caution against extrapolating an event to all such situations. I don't know that this has been determined scientifically, and there are plenty of ways other than firearms to commit suicide. Using your logic: If opiates and opioids were eliminated from existence, and the result was 50,000 fewer opiate deaths, one could say, "Opioids and Opiates cause suicides." This isn't how you do statistics.

To: combjelly who wrote (58668)	3/22/2018 6:51:12 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 361291

In this case we know, for example, that when guns are restricted, not only does the suicide rate with guns goes down, so does the overall suicide rate. We also know that the assaults with guns in domestic disputes goes down. Know we don't. And we certainly don't know how large of factor such restrictions have been. We do know that as guns have become much more numerous in the US the use of them in assaults and murder during domestic disputes has gone down. Again though correlation does not equal causation.