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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (1059862)3/11/2018 11:59:35 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1571929
 
"those who are dedicated to the religion of climate change" are the deniers. They have great faith that science is wrong.

"That's why they'll believe computer models "

This isn't a model; this is what CO2 concentrations and temperatures have actually done.



CO2 today is 410.00
scripps.ucsd.edu
Jan '18 was 0.71 above 20th century average. Feb '16, we spiked to 1.21 above the average, (1.51 above pre-industrial), and the average for the entire year was 0.94.
ncdc.noaa.gov



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (1059862)3/12/2018 7:39:05 AM
From: Mongo2116  Respond to of 1571929
 
MAYBE CLIMATE CHANGE ISN'T AN exact science or study...why do you assholes not prefer to be on the side of maybe they are right and we need to control what we discharge into the environment...I know why the rich and the big businesses don't want to give climate control and respect (regulations cost profits) but why the avg JOE BLOW who make nothing on this and have kids and grandkids who will live with this.... blow off climate change due to man made offenses is strange...but everything you clowns do is strange....so I have my answer



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (1059862)3/12/2018 8:00:16 AM
From: RetiredNow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1571929
 
What you say has reason, Ten, and I'm even open to the idea that there have been some bad actors in the scientific community who have forged data. I remember reading about that a long time ago. However, have you seen my post on Pascal's Wager? That was my ultimate conclusion. I think there are greater benefits in acting like AGW is real than there are costs. Having said that, I'm not a believe in carbon markets or any of that B.S., which is just an excuse for the gov't to get involved in what should be a free market in energy. However, I do root on folks like Elon Musk and others who are trying to change the world by leveraging stock sales to get the money to bring renewable energy and RE cars, etc. to the market at scale. Those projects are rapidly lowering the costs and many forms of RE are already cost competitive, like wind and solar. Then those who say that the intermittency issue is the achilles heel are not imaginative enough. Batteries will eventually solve those problems, whether it is through big battery storage like Musk's or whether it is through highly distributed storage networks using cars, or home storage units, etc.

I like the future, because I think a diversified energy base that includes "all of the above", fossil fuels and RE, will make this country stronger and less dependent on bad foreign countries for our energy. And the benefit to the Earth is that we pollute less. Forget about AGW for a second. Natural gas fracking and oil and gas exploration is highly damaging to the local environment, even without the GHGs. Asthma in Beijing causes millions of deaths. There are so many externalities from fossil fuels that it is worth it to explore renewables, even if AGW is not real.

So, again Pascal's Wager concludes the same thing, which is why I would rather we all act as if AGW were real...the benefits of doing so outweigh the costs, as long as we keep gov't involvement small and don't sign up to any stupid deals like the Paris Accords.