To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (1059862 ) 3/12/2018 8:00:16 AM From: RetiredNow Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1571929 What you say has reason, Ten, and I'm even open to the idea that there have been some bad actors in the scientific community who have forged data. I remember reading about that a long time ago. However, have you seen my post on Pascal's Wager? That was my ultimate conclusion. I think there are greater benefits in acting like AGW is real than there are costs. Having said that, I'm not a believe in carbon markets or any of that B.S., which is just an excuse for the gov't to get involved in what should be a free market in energy. However, I do root on folks like Elon Musk and others who are trying to change the world by leveraging stock sales to get the money to bring renewable energy and RE cars, etc. to the market at scale. Those projects are rapidly lowering the costs and many forms of RE are already cost competitive, like wind and solar. Then those who say that the intermittency issue is the achilles heel are not imaginative enough. Batteries will eventually solve those problems, whether it is through big battery storage like Musk's or whether it is through highly distributed storage networks using cars, or home storage units, etc. I like the future, because I think a diversified energy base that includes "all of the above", fossil fuels and RE, will make this country stronger and less dependent on bad foreign countries for our energy. And the benefit to the Earth is that we pollute less. Forget about AGW for a second. Natural gas fracking and oil and gas exploration is highly damaging to the local environment, even without the GHGs. Asthma in Beijing causes millions of deaths. There are so many externalities from fossil fuels that it is worth it to explore renewables, even if AGW is not real. So, again Pascal's Wager concludes the same thing, which is why I would rather we all act as if AGW were real...the benefits of doing so outweigh the costs, as long as we keep gov't involvement small and don't sign up to any stupid deals like the Paris Accords.