To: RetiredNow who wrote (1062372 ) 3/25/2018 3:06:17 PM From: koan Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1574085 First of all the difference between the Republicans and Democrats is night and day. Democrats base their ideology on science, logic and humanity. Republican's base their ideology on primitive dogma the foundation of which can be found in evangelical thinking and the desires of the oligarchs and military industrial complex. Republicans are much meaner than Democrats. When you evaluate the Greeks you cannot use one, or or a hundred examples of bad behavior. You have to look at their 1,000 years of thought and what they figured out NOT what they did not figure out. The ancient Greeks were the first big thinkers out of the gate of humanity. They had a lot of stuff to figure out. Burke and Ornstein say that myths declined and reason evolved during the Greek age. After the Greeks were wiped out around the birth of Christ, you will be hard pressed to find even one person to compare with the sophistication of thought of anyone of a hundred Greeks for the next 1500 years. Person kind does not need religion, the Nordic countries have taught us that. They are the least religious people on earth and have the happiest and healthiest societies on earth. An atheist can be as spiritual and decent a person as a religious person and they more often take responsibility for their behavior. Look how much of organized crime kills people on Saturday and goes to church on Sunday. And have done so for all of history. Look at the hypocrisy the evangelicals are engaging in right now with their support of Trump and the NRA. <<I agree with you about the Greeks search for enlightenment and a moral way of living, but let's not forget that during the time of the Greeks, they engaged in patronage, which involved pedophilia. The Greek philosophy found some higher ground, but failed utterly in others. Every philosophy and religion since then has had the same mix of good and bad. You know why? Because humans ourselves are good and bad. It's like the heads and tails on a coin. You can't have one without the other. Eventually, some will make it to heaven and they may find out what pure good is like, but here on earth, there is no such thing.