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To: Tim Mak who wrote (3990)	1/13/1998 11:22:00 AM
From: Dan Packer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14451

Cool news release from HP. I seem to remember a similar type of announcement last year from them in conjunction with their buy of a company with UNC technology. They even displayed this stuff at SIGGRAPH. Then they quietly shut down the UNC operation and folded it with their Colorado operation. Bummer! Lost money for the HP shareholders, but it did wonders for the HP graphics managers egos while it lasted. HP makes great printers and EKG cables. They should stick to what they do best. Dan

To: Tim Mak who wrote (3990)	1/14/1998 3:38:00 AM
From: Alexis Cousein	Respond to of 14451

>It particular, HP claims that one of its box "outperforms Onyx2 at >1/7 the cost" They're certainly capable machines --at last they have decent OpenGL support, though the OS is still not rock solid. But their mktg claims have always been wild. Last time around, it was the PixelFlow gfx; the fastest gfx on the planet, only everybody at SGI knew that there was no market for it, because if its seriously limited gfx model. Before that, they announced their Visualize-48 would 'be twice as fast as Max IMPACT' at a time when Max IMPACT wasn't even out yet [Well, 2x turned out to be 1x, and they really meant Hi IMPACT, i.e. half a Max IMPACT ]. They usually employ tactics a la Intergraph. Hi-end XXX has this performance wrt Lo-end SGI, and Lo-End XXX costs this much compared to Hi-End SGI with lots of add-ons to inflate price, and then do a rule-of-three and hope people don't see it doesn't make sense ;). This time around, they'll probably quote raw numbers (meaningless) to substantiate their claim; they'll probably try to push CDRS-03 numbers to CAD customers (that'll reduce the multiplier substantially already) and try to avoid customers benchmarking the machines for themselves (CDRS-03 is anti-aliased lines almost completely rather than 3D shaded surfaces); usual stuff.