To: RetiredNow who wrote (1062694 ) 3/27/2018 11:09:43 AM From: koan Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1574679 You are misstating me again. I do not believe in Utopia. The Nordic countries are not perfect or utopia, but what they are, are the happiest and healthiest and most decent countries on earth!! What I believe in is basic human decency. And they are the least religious but are also the most decent e.g. compare their crime and prison system with ours. We have far more prisoners and gun deaths than any other country on earth and many times more than the Nordic countries. We put people in small 8 by 10 cells often without windows and even solitary confinement for years. In the Nordic countries they put their prisoners in apartment type rooms with windows and treat them well. Often our prisons are brutal beyond belief, especially private prisons which are inhumane. And what came before their riches in the Nordic countries and what all the most decent countries have in common is massive and comprehensive EDUCATION. Education breeds humanity, not religion!! Humanity requires understanding complex abstractions e.g. why the death penalty, segregation and misogyny is barbaric We are the only country in the west that still has the death penalty. We are barbaric. <<Because koan, it goes to the very basic nature of human beings. In your utopia, no one has to work and the government takes all resources and apportions them out fairly, so everyone is treated equally and shares in those resources equally. But never in the history of the world has socialism or communism achieved these goals. Almost always, some are treated better than others. Almost always, those who are closer to the power centers that control the resources avail themselves and their cronies of those resources.