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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: koan who wrote (64980)	4/5/2018 8:34:14 PM
From: Dracin72	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 364331

"What I meant is that morality is an existential issue and as such by modern standards the Democrats are more moral, in reality than the Republicans." Too bad John Adams isn't here to have this debate with you. Here are some of his words. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other -John Adams founders.archives.gov

To: koan who wrote (64980)	4/6/2018 11:44:15 AM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 364331

What I meant is that morality is an existential issue and as such by modern standards the Democrats are more moral, in reality than the Republicans. In addition to being extremely dubious and not a very useful attitute, it wasn''t what you initial said, or what you said later when you tried to restate your opinion. As for replying to your new formulation, been there done that.

To: koan who wrote (64980)	4/6/2018 12:20:12 PM
From: one_less	1 Recommendation Recommended By Dracin72 Respond to of 364331

It is fair to make the claim that morality is an existential issue. Any act of goodness or badness is relative to some abstract ideal of the quality being indicated. Political ideology by definition involves the intention to increase the power of one set over another; as such, it is a mistake to associate moral goodness to such a group. Helping someone who is suffering hard times definitely indicates moral goodness. Political parties, as groups go, are machinations and may be tainted with ulterior motives when making such a claim. Individuals within the party may or may not have genuinely good intentions.

To: koan who wrote (64980)	4/6/2018 1:36:55 PM
From: i-node	1 Recommendation Recommended By Triffin Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 364331

> What I meant is that morality is an existential issue and as such by modern standards the Democrats are more moral, in reality than the Republicans. Oh, I agree. Dickey-wavers like Anthony Weiner are, somehow better than Donald Trump. Bill Clinton was "more moral" than Trump. Trump trying to bring about serious change in North Korea is less moral than Bill Clinton setting them up to get nuclear weapons. Feinstein's husband getting a deal to make a billion dollar commission off of buying bidding on old post offices is moral, as is a Louisiana congressman keeping his under-the-table dollars in the freezer. HRC accepting money on behalf of her private foundation while in office is fine, but Trump owning businesses he created without a nickel of political largesse is immoral. Republicans and Democrats alike are immoral, perhaps amoral, or they wouldn't be in office. And the argument over how immoral they are could go on forever. Your opinion on this subject is no better than anyone else's on this thread and you should keep that in mind.