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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (68059)	4/23/2018 2:20:01 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 363113

I'm a deficit hawk too Tim, but unlike you I'm not a fatalist. Let me help with some revenue ideas; First of course is to role back the tax cut. Then stop the idiot Nation building wars. Then start a consumption tax! We have so much crap we have become a nation of hoarders. A small import tax and a tax on pot. Need more? A carbon tax. Stop corporate welfare. The list is endless only a lack of imagination will prevent it from occurring. We are not going to make 80 year old grannies work - and we are going to give sick children health care. So lets look for a solution rather than being such fatalist.

To: TimF who wrote (68059)	4/23/2018 3:44:35 PM
From: zzpat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 363113

No other country in the world passes one tax cut after another and never pays its bills. The reason we have all our problems is that we have republicans. Other countries have a longer life expectancy (we're #43). Other countries don't have mass shootings. Other countries don't have republicans.

To: TimF who wrote (68059)

4/23/2018 4:47:50 PM

From: koan

Respond to of 363113

That is myth. I cannot argue with nonsense.

Most of the western democracies have affordable health care and education.

Compare us to Canada!! Or the Nordic countries.

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And how do you think every other western democracy manages to have the entitlement programs?

1 - They don't make it work either. For the most part their promised pensions and government medical insurance and/or direct spending programs will be similarly unaffordable for them as our programs are for us.

2 - On some of these programs the US is more generous. It depends what types of programs your comparing and what countries your comparing.

3 - To the extent that any of them manage to cover them to now better than we do (and some of them are doing much worse), or cover it as well while being more generous, its largely because they have less progressive taxation than the US. Both of us hit the rich but the US taxes the middle class less. The European countries have VATS which hit the middle class (and even to an extent the poor) as well as the wealthy.

I'd consider #1 to be the most important relevant point.