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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (68305)4/25/2018 10:28:10 AM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 358990
 
Did people lose their electricity before the Weather Channel had a chance to tell them to move to high ground?

Yes the warnings we have now are a very big part of it, but that was also a more intense hurricane in a more intense hurricane season then was the case with Maria. And the lack of warning is partially mitigated by much lower populations and population densities, there were fewer people around to kill.

Of course 1780 is a one off, it wasn't like the same thing happened in 1781, 1782, 1783 etc. But Maria was also a one off. But the key point is that there isn't a trend of hurricanes getting worse.

For Hurricanes hitting the US -

The most intense hurricane to hit the US (lowest central pressure on initial US landfall) was the 1935 Labor Day hurricane. Out of the top 10, 1 (Katrina) was in the 21st century and only 2 (Katrina and Andrew) were post 1990. 4 were before 1930, despite the fact that in the earlier days of the country the pressure wouldn't have been measured so they wouldn't be on the list. While barometers existed as far back as the 1600s a practical aneroid recording barometer wasn't invented until 1844. I don't know when barometers were deployed across the US to a great enough extent to catch a strong majority of hurricanes but I'd guess it would be post Civil War, maybe late 19th century.

From 1880 onwards the number of hurricanes in the top 10 in US history for each decades (decade not listed if zero)

1880's - 1
1910's - 1
1920's - 2
1930's - 1
1960's - 3
1990's - 1
2000's - 1

There where more top ten hurricanes in the 17 years from 1919 to 1935 and also more in the 9 years from 1961 to 1969 then there has been in the 46 years from 1970 to 2015. *

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Most intense landfalling U.S. hurricanes
Intensity is measured solely by central pressure Rank Hurricane Season Landfall pressure
"Labor Day" 1935 892 mbar ( hPa)
Camille 1969 900 mbar (hPa)
Katrina 2005 920 mbar (hPa)
Andrew 1992 922 mbar (hPa)
"Indianola" 1886 925 mbar (hPa)
"Florida Keys" 1919 927 mbar (hPa)
"Okeechobee" 1928 929 mbar (hPa)
"Great Miami" 1926 930 mbar (hPa)
Donna 1960 930 mbar (hPa)
Carla 1961 931 mbar (hPa)
from en.wikipedia.org
For cyclones around the world

Note this doesn't include the 1780 season since there is no direct record of pressure from back then, but estimates are that it would be on this list maybe on the top.

For the whole world landfall or not -


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"Global warming means the air holds 7% more water vapor per degree C, so there's more available to rain out"

Surprise!!

Hurricane Florence’s Unusual Extremes Worsened by Climate Change

Researchers estimate the storm’s rainfall forecast is 50 percent higher because of warmer oceans and more moisture in the atmosphere brought by global warming.
BY BOB BERWYN, INSIDECLIMATE NEWS
SEP 14, 2018


Hurricane Florence, viewed from space on the morning of Sept. 13 as its rain bands began to affect the Carolinas and the Virginia coast. Credit: GOES/NOAA

Hurricane Florence made landfall in North Carolina on Friday as a slow-moving giant, churning up a powerful storm surge that could reach 13 feet at high tide and devastate hundreds of miles of shoreline. Adding to forecasters' fears was the storm's potential to bring days of torrential rain to the already saturated region.

The hurricane was unusual for a variety of reasons—and it was being made worse by climate change, a team of scientists said Wednesday.

The scientists—from Stony Brook University, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the National Center for Atmospheric Research—compared the storm's real-time forecasts to what would be expected if the ocean temperature wasn't so warm and the atmosphere lacked today's additional heat and moisture fueled by climate change.

They estimated that Florence's rainfall forecast is more than 50 percent higher than it would have been without global warming, and that the hurricane's projected size is about 80 kilometers larger. It was a quick study, and more extensive analysis after the storm will fine-tune those estimates, other scientists said, but they acknowledged that it's indicative of human influence on extreme weather.

The storm's direction, extreme rainfall and slow movement all set it apart while raising concerns about what Florence could suggest about the future.

Florence Isn't Following a Normal Path Florence's path toward the North Carolina coast is one if its many unusual behaviors.

Most previous hurricanes on a track like Florence's headed north and then east, paralleling or brushing the Southeast coast. They typically move on a clockwise path around a stable bubble of air that can cover the entire mid-Atlantic.

But this year, that high-pressure dome has shifted, squashing Florence toward the coast. A similar pattern steered 2012's Superstorm Sandy on an unexpected path toward New Jersey.


Scientists say it's too soon to tell if Florence is a warning that more hurricanes will hit the densely populated Northeast coast, but they are growing more certain that global warming will make some of the coming tropical storms intensify more quickly, move more slowly and drop more rain.

"With Florence, there's a lot I would say that's consistent with our understanding of how global warming affects tropical systems," said Woods Hole Research Center president and director Phil Duffy. Not all the science is set, but the global warming projections are robust for more Category 4 and 5 storms, as well as a trend to more rapid intensification, he said.

"That's simply a function of very warm sea surface temperatures, and those are obviously tied to global warming. And this storm track is kind of weird, it's unusual and unexpected. Normally these things proceed parallel to the coastline, this one is pretty much T-boning the coast."

The atmospheric pattern that's steering Florence toward the coast also appears to be happening more often with climate change. This is part of the emerging understanding of how rapid warming and ice melt in the Arctic is changing climate patterns in areas where people feel the effects, he said.

As Florence approached the Carolinas, four other tropical storms were also spinning around the Atlantic. In the Pacific, Olivia hit the Hawaiian Islands from an unexpected angle, and Super Typhoon Mangkhut threatened to become the strongest storm ever for Hong Kong.

Stalling Storms, Warmer Oceans, More RainOne of the most interesting, if still tentative, connections between hurricanes and global warming may be the tendency of tropical weather systems to stall and spin in place, generating more flooding rainfall in concentrated areas, said Penn State climate scientist Michael Mann.

It happened last year when Harvey sat over Houston for days, deluging parts of the region with more than 50 inches of rain.

"I think it's fair to say that we may be seeing this play out again with Florence," Mann said. "Also, the near-record warmth of sea surface temperatures is a factor in terms of the rapid intensification of the storm, and potential for extreme flooding. That likelihood of this anomalous warmth is increased greatly by human-caused warming."


There is evidence that hurricanes may be slowing down. A recent study in the journal Nature led by NOAA hurricane expert Jim Kossin looked at the data on hurricanes from 1949 to 2016 and found they slowed by 20 percent in the Atlantic Ocean and by as much as 30 percent in the Pacific.

The slowdown probably "compounded, and possibly dominated, any increases in local rainfall totals," the paper concluded. "The magnitude of the slowdown is consistent with expected changes in atmospheric circulation forced by anthropogenic emissions."

When storms have a slow approach before making landfall, that also lengthens the amount of time that coastal areas are subjected to storm surge, when winds can drive the ocean more than 10 feet above normal sea level. That impact is compounded by the fact that global warming has already raised sea level along the North Carolina coast by about a foot since the late 1800s, climate scientist Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research wrote on Twitter.


Hurricanes are primarily fueled by ocean heat, so it's not surprising that recent years, with sea surface temperatures at or near record highs, have seen a spate of record-strong storms. Oceans have absorbed about 93 percent of all the heat trapped by greenhouse gases, heating the ocean on the surface and increasingly to greater depths.

Projections for more rainfall from tropical storms are also robust because of basic physics — air can hold more moisture the warmer it gets, and when that air is stirred up by a hurricane, the moisture manifests as intense rainfall.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration writes that if the planet warms 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial times – exceeding the goals of the Paris climate agreement — rainfall from tropical storms is expected to increase 10 to 15 percent.

More Northern Monster Storms?Figuring out whether global warming will steer more hurricanes toward the densely populated Northeast is important for obvious reasons, but scientists aren't quite there yet.

Accurate observations useful for climate projections only go back to about 1850. Before that, data is sparse, said paleoclimate researcher Amy Frappier, who chemically analyzes stalagmites in Central American caves to track rainfall from ancient hurricanes.

In research published two years ago, Frappier and a team of paleotempestologists showed that industrial pollution—greenhouse gases and aerosols—had been driving a northeastward shift of hurricane tracks since the late 1800s. They warned that more greenhouse gas pollution "will result in more frequent tropical cyclone impacts on the financial and population centers of the northeastern United States."

"People have been interested in storms and affected by big storms for thousands of years. Think of the story of the great flood in the Bible," she said. "If we can understand the timing of the storm track changes in the past and what was happening with the climate, then we can understand what's driving those changes, and that helps look into the future."

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The old record was 24 inches. Newport and Emerald haven't been updated in a while.