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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (71231)	5/12/2018 8:20:11 AM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 365066

You believe because you believe. Cultist typically do.

To: Lane3 who wrote (71231)

5/12/2018 10:46:02 AM

From: koan

Respond to of 365066

Great post.

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But having watched him work as president, and for years before that, I believe there is a reasonable chance of doing better.

You believe because you believe. Well, that does satisfy a lot of people. It has comforted a lot of people throughout time. Sometimes it worked out OK.

I recognized early on that Trump did not have the most rudimentary qualifications to be President. As I have written, he could not even act like an adult. I would not hire into the simplest of jobs someone who could not act like an adult. Now, a knowledge worker and manager at any level further needs the ability and inclination to use reason, to analyze alternatives and plan a plausible, explainable course of action. Yet this country, here in the 21st century, three centuries after the Age of Enlightenment, hired as nothing short of President someone too primitive to practice reasoned choice, someone who operates out of his gut or limbic brain or nether part.

And you think that's not only OK but spectacular. Because you believe. Well, good for you. I need evidence of a reasoned approach to respect a decision.

I’d be interesting in knowing what you think a nuclear Iran means to the res od the world

Implied false dichotomy, bigly.

To: Lane3 who wrote (71231)	5/12/2018 11:16:56 AM
From: i-node	1 Recommendation Recommended By FJB Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 365066

I believe because to date his performance has been excellent. Okay, you think he lack qualifications. You supported Ibama who, quite obviously, had no business stepping foot in the WH. A fact that should have been apparent well before the election. So, we have different views of what comprises leadership. I can deal with that. That’s just a HR question. I don’t know how spectacular Trump is. I can judge only what I’ve seen to date. And no, there is no false dichotomy. A nuclear Iran is the very issue at stake. Your implied argument is either that the Obama agreement would not lead to a nuclear Iran OR that Trump walking away won’t provide denuclearization assurance. There is a third option which likely would have prevented it, and that is a hard hitting war. Never mind that 2/3 of the American public and almost all American foreign policy experts thought the deal was stupid. True, many thought we are in the soup now so we may as well see what happens. But that is stupid when time is the crucial factor. I understand you cannot stand Trump and no matter what he does you’ll feel the same. You certainly are not alone. But my interest isn’t personal, it is about getting important things done for the country. I don’t like him personally, either. But he is killing it when it come to getting important things done for the country, and trying to renegotiate this deal is one of them. Nothing to lose in trying.