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To: Alan Markoff who wrote (10714)	1/14/1998 9:39:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Respond to of 39621

I know that Emile hates the Jews Nancy, and with a passionate and misguided one that seems so out of place with him, especially, and it is something only the Lord can understand. Here he had an opportunity to build Alan up in love to the point of a flaming evangelist against the life-long trap of Talmudist rabbinic propaganda, deep in the soul from childhood, and instead he has used this entire exchange to try to make the rest of us somehow hate you guys and run away, LEST YOU ENTRAP US ALL INTO TALMUDIC DEVOTIONS. Until you both say that now you have seen the light, all Jews make you sick, and Emile is right, there is nothing the least bit good or decent or vaguely resembling God the Creator in any Jewish person you know, including those who CALL themselves Messianic (and here I see such horrible, horrible judgment against a huge body of believers, who all fellowship completely with everyone who loves Jesus CHrist, and "Jewish Voice" out of Phoenix is usually so annointed that when you watch the show it leaves me, particularly, in a very "holy" state of mind, so this scares me for the judges as they speak). And when you have ceased talking to anyone that appears Jewish or has a Jewish name and are now going to a Southern Baptist Church, and Alan is using all of the pat jargin, then Emile will lay off. Until then he won't. And this is a bizarre mystery. And it seems to me he is as determined to beat Alan away from Jesus Christ as to draw him any closer, or else his methods are just so foreign to me I can't recognize them. And I would post this to you by email, except that it is a curiousity which once made me angry, and now since the lurkers are turning this into a middle-ground sociological debate and we're humoring them, I would like to see Emile explain his heart a little more except that his father-in-law died an aethiest. The parallels there between a Talmudic holdout and Alan are really so far over my head right now it's Mars level. That is why I click to next, except this is slowly turning into the "Flame and be Obnoxious all you want" thread for both Emile and guys who probably have one drink too many and jump over from the Flame thread (three have so far) and the other two came from the "Drinkers" thread, so the attackers are not exactly of the highest caliber of theological commentators, and soon this thread will be utterly abandoned to them and I hope Ask God is revived under a new explanation elsewhere. Or left here ongoing and permanent debate on the Old and New Covenant, which has proven to be extremely good Bible study for all. It would be interesting for Alan to ask Emile to lay out the requirements Emile has to accept him as a brother in Christ. Beyond believing in Jesus and obviously having a personal relationship with Him to even be able to discuss Him at all beyond the most surface acknowledgment that He is indeed probably a fact. That is the extent the unsaved are able to discuss Jesus, and barely admit that He is real. So I am curious as to what the Commandant of the Thread would issue as orders for Alan's acceptance. And if everyone ever thinks that I am going to do some phoney and smarmey think with rude and obnoxious lurkers, all of whom appear to be aethiests by speech patterns, as you can always tell the speech pattern of a kind and godly person who simply disagrees with you, and that's great--hey we're all wrong a lot of the time--but the rest, well, don't expect pious response from me, because it would be very insincere. That's just in case anyone wonders. I meet the devil like Jesus did, and take His example. I have never crawled to the devil begging him to love me, to say the least. AU CONTRAIRE. Anyway, like I say, if I'm wrong, please pray for me that God can shed some light.

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (10714)	1/14/1998 9:44:00 AM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi Nancy, I don't know if I have misunderstood you but as it stands this statement is completely wrong. God has saved a remnant for Himself but not the whole people. I'd like to know what passages you are deriving this from. <<In Romans 11 it says that all Israel will be saved literally and you have to make things up to make it fit your doctrine that is worse than anything Alan and I have said. >> Together in Christ, Bob

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (10714)	1/14/1998 10:04:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Nancy this is so interesting to me I think because of my 8 years as a member of a totally biker church, as in totally biker, and not just guys who rode Harley's to work, but guys who were so lost in the world of Harley Davidson that salvation seemed as impossible as them leaping to the moon in one jump. As time went on, there was not a hard-core club member, and there are lots of them out there, lots and lots, that did not seem to me that they too would one day be saved. That was the feeling of all the converted bikers, too. There are tens of thousands, as you know, that meet once a year with precious Ken Copeland and Gloria, all of them riding around on their Harleys with the worst of the worst converted and praising God. So I know what you mean. However, I am sure that not all guys you are scared to go in a convenience store and stand beside are going to be saved. It's just my hope, and growing dimmer of course since I no longer have a bike myself. I don't even know anyone in the wind anymore, unfortunately. How I hate growing up. It was much more fun being an endless adolescent. :)