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To: Alan Markoff who wrote (10727)	1/14/1998 2:24:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Alan, I am sorry but your post makes no sense at all. Who are you talking about. I have not posted any of the stuff you are questionong me about. You seem to be in a state of confusion. This is especially bazarr! <<Bob put forth a loving heart you are not the one who will win souls to Jesus. The same argument can be tossed back at you. You have a problem being a Christian is that not an obsession with you?>> This makes absolutely no sense in view of what I have posted to you. <<since if everyone who will not agree with you are going to Hell. >> Where did you get that from my posts? Nowhere!! << I feel that any damnation of anyone by people is lunacy.>> I have not damned anyone. Sadly all who do not accept Jesus damn themselves. <<Bob what does Anti-semitic mean give me your definition of it.>> Oxford American Dictionary anti-semitic adj. hostile to Jews. I am not hostile to Jews. I am only opposed to anything that opposes salvation in Jesus. The problem is that you will not say that the practice of keeping the law and the OT religion keeps people from Jesus because the practioners believe the law will bring them to God and Jesus was a false messiah. Can you agree with that? <<WHY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE STOP CALLING JEWS SATANIST'S AND CHRIST KILLERS>> I've never said that. No I don't agree with the practice of calling Jews satanists or Christ killers. I do oppose you trying to lump me in with anyone who has. I am sorry that you have completely misunderstood my e-mail. I will just post to you if we communicate from now on. No sense trying to have a private conversation that might be more constructive when we can fight in public! Right! despairingly, Bob

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (10727)	1/15/1998 1:10:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Bob, I say in truth that the tone of that email was loving, and probably you wanted to discuss things without others jumping in. BUT. (There's always that word.....) BUT. Can you re-read Emiles every post to Alan, from post 1, and the posts prior to that which made Alan livid before he got here, as he was encouraged to come here by me because it was such a great and loving place and all good stuff, and all that...and then those posts, fired at him out of a cannon without a word of introduction, or what have you from Emile, just blasting hatred in stereo--Enile and Robert in concert, the rest of us kind of stunned. My question. WHich of Emile's posts to Alan were "of the Lord", as dictated by Him, and inspired by Him, for Emile to instruct Alan that Jesus could hardly stand him in his present condition--calling himself a Jew. That's all I ask. Do you truly see Jesus in those posts to Alan? Then you chastise Alan for saying that Emile's presentation was sick and twisted? That is a compliment compared to the hundreds of insults Emile hurled at Alan, including a very nasty little slur about Alan's name, like it was something evil...to Emile is was, because Emile is such a scholar that instantly he categorized the name Markoff as derivitive of Khazarian somehting hundreds of years ago. And you don't think that is a little sick? I do. And rude. That's a fact. I don't like rude and hostile lurkers who swoop in here with their CHristian-bashing, seemingly half-smashed aethiest personalities, and I sure don't like fellow Christians Jew-bashing a fellow believer. ANd mainly because Alan didn't like to be associated with Jim and Tammy Baker. Well, neither do I.l When we line that up viscious attack up with Jesus, Son of God, and lay the attack at His feet, surely something has gone wrong if you felt it was just fine. I just don't understand how you weren't offended as when one is attacked we all are attacked. And here is a quarter buy a clue. When jerks are throwing around Christ Killer and satan worshippers to people who are Jewish themselves, then the attack is purely upon them, as they are in fact being called CHrist Killers, so many insults I can't pick them all out to write here, and don't want to. It was sickening. Emile called Alan everything in the book except Ghetto strings of filthy cuss words. We were horrified, and embarrassed, and remain horrified and embarrassed. Now if you can't see anything of what I speak, and still feel like chastising Alan for refering to Emile's words as sick and twisted, compared to my Lord Jesus Christ, and what my Lord Jesus Christ would have said to Alan, they did in fact have a sick and twisted effect. However, Robert and Emile continue to congratulate each other upon a job well done. Hey.....I'm sorry to say it, but the jury is still out on that one. WHy don't we spend a month analyzing the attack on Alan, and lets find scriptures to back up the whole thing, with examples from the Lord or from the writers of the New Testament, and most certainly from Acts. Or John. Or James. Or anyone. Then let's analyze those scriptures with what happened before them and what happened after them and what circumstances compelled the speaker to speak them. If any of this comes lines up with what Alan is complaining about, and he is complaining mildly compared to how I would have blown up under similar circumstances, or let's say I was I Nancy's position--oh, boy, you'd have seen a show then. So why don't we analyze the attackers rather than the reaction of the attackees?

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (10727)	1/18/1998 1:17:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff	Respond to of 39621

Bob; Now I think we need to understand each other. Let me start with what you tried to say to me and I will give an answer to why I was so upset with your Email; ".I don't know exactly how to put this so as not to offend you but you seem obsessed with the fact you are Jewish." Let me try to show you why this statement from you was uncalled for; First of all my wife is not Jewish according to Rabbinical Law. Her father she claims is Jewish but her mother is Gentile, In any case I married my Wife not on the basis of being Jewish or not. If I was obsessed with being Jewish don't you think I would only marry a Jewish woman? I came back with statements of Christ killers, Satan worshippers ect.... for the basis of my as you put obsession of this Jewish thing on this thread, and in return you became very defensive and stated that you never said this and that, so why Email me saying I am obsessive when I was trying to speak against something you stated was wrong. "being Jewish "outwardly" is no value whatsoever to salvation. Only being Jewish "inwardly" is important " Now this next one really get's me confused; How can someone be Jewish Outwardly do you mean to say that I should refrain from saying I am Jewish. Or do you mean if I am Jewish that doesn't buy me a ticket into heaven. I expressed to Emile that I was a Jew who has excepted Jesus as my Messiah, and I wish to study the Old and New Testament as well as celibate some Jewish holidays as well as some Christian ones, He has a problem with that and has called me a liar do you agree with this and if not why the lecture on being Jewish whether inwardly or outwardly what does that have to do with me. "maybe you could get past the "root of bitterness" which springs up every time you "sense" something anti-semitic." This next statement to me really raised my hair. Sense something Anti-semitic? Have you been reading Emile and Robert's post's and I won't get into the other post's that was laying the foundation of a mine field towards Anti-semitic gestures. Let me give you some examples; Jews are Christ Killers, The State of Israel (Jews) needs to be destroyed, Jews worship Satan, The Old Testament is a thing, Jews are Anti-christ (I am not) and many more. This has nothing to do with being bitter to begin with and what more do I need shoved in my face to realize the statement's above are anti-semetic. Bob are those statement's not Anti-semetic you tell me and if they are what's your point with the sense, and bitter gesture from you. "You have called Emile "sick" and "twisted" in just the last couple of days. That is not the Lord." I stand by those above statement's and I base it on the hate he has displayed that is quite evident against the Jewish people. Also Bob what you have called me is that from the Lord? Bitter and Obsessive? In closing you stated as follows; "I am sorry for your troubles but I cannot help you. You are in God's hands." I would rather be in Gods hands than yours. Amen Alan