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To: mel221 who wrote (81219)	7/3/2018 5:52:59 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 355627

"It could be as simple as 'When the fetus the birth canal and takes its first breath, it is a person with rights'". You can even bump that up to when a limb pops out. Abortion and Judaism Let us first establish the time that a fetus legally acquires the status equal to an adult human being. The Talmud states in part that if the “greater part was already born, one may not touch it, for one may not set aside one person’s life for that of another.” Thus the act of birth changes the status of the fetus from a nonperson to a person (nefesh). Killing the newborn after this point is infanticide. Many Talmudic sources and commentators on the Talmud substitute the word “head” for “greater part.” Others maintain the “greater part” verbatim. Maimonides and Joseph Caro also consider the extrusion of the head to indicate birth. They both further state that by rabbinic decree, even if only one limb of the fetus was extruded and then retracted, childbirth is considered to have occurred. myjewishlearning.com

To: mel221 who wrote (81219)	7/3/2018 6:58:13 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 355627

When Roe vs Wade is over turned, a law will be needed to make abortion legal again. Only in states where standing law disallows it. I am all about science. I am not interested the cultural or religious aspects of abortion. And I could say that I'm all about the religious aspects of hockey. Or the cultural aspects of wall insulation. But those would be a category errors, logical fallacies. There are no science aspects of abortion beyond the medical treatment of pregnancy. Today, liberals who claim to be all about science really are not. Liberals are no more or less qualified than anyone else to make something about something it's not.