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To: Katelew who wrote (81407)7/4/2018 4:19:25 PM
From: bentway  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 353747
 
Fascism:

en.wikipedia.org

Fascism ( /'fæ??z?m/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, [1] [2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce, [3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. [4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries. [4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum. [5] [6] [7] [4] [8] [9]



To: Katelew who wrote (81407)7/4/2018 4:26:45 PM
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If one looks at published definitions of Fascism, the one constant is that a Fascist state emerges and thrives when its government is enlarged and given every increasing powers over the lives of people.

These seem to fit my definition:
5 Qualities of Fascism: Is the US Anywhere Close?
The word "fascism" is a favorite insult for many, especially in light of the current political climate. If you aren’t already calling them Hitler, tying whoever you oppose to fascism is a great hyperbolic second. Most of the time, however, the word is not used correctly, ignoring historical precedent and the specific conditions that need to exist for a country to go fascist.

Fascists originally hail from Italy, where Mussolini founded the National Fascist Party in 1919-1921, on the heels of World War I. In fact, the word “fascism” comes from "fasces" or "fascio littorio" - a bunch of rods tied around an axe, an ancient Roman symbol of the magistrate's authority, which could be used for corporal and capital punishment.

What needs to happen in a country for it to become fascist?

1. Fascism thrives in militaristic societies. World War I caused a tremendous militarization of a number of countries. Nations like Italy and Germany saw the need to be able to quickly mobilize millions of people to fight wars and provide economic support.

2. Fascists reject liberal democracy, which is basically a representative kind of government where elections are free and competitive, powers between different government branches are separated, and people have more or less equal rights, freedoms and protections under the law.

3. Fascists, on the other hand, prefer totalitarian one-party rule, led by a strong leader (your favorite dictator). This allows the fascist country to have unparalleled national unity of purpose, a very ordered society, generally ready for armed conflict. Such a society is also poised to respond quickly to economic measures, especially in time of difficulties. A fascist country will likely isolate itself, blaming the international economic order for its troubles.

4. What is important to note is that many scholars do not regard fascism to be a solely right-wing or left-wing affliction. It may have elements of both sides of the spectrum. Mussolini himself described fascism as a movement that would strike "against the backwardness of the right and the destructiveness of the left".

According to the British historian Roger Griffin, fascist societies of the 20th century also exhibited such components as "a rebirth myth, populist ultra-nationalism and the myth of decadence." Essentially, fascism promises that radical, nationalist politics will pull a nation out of decadence into a period of renewal.

(edit: Only I can fix it; MAGA)

Coming on the heels of the military and economic humiliation suffered by Germany in World War I, followed by the hedonism of the Weimar Republic, one can imagine the appeal held by the narrative that Germans were actually a nation of superior Aryan people, with supposed ancient roots. All they needed to do was to weed out the members of society that caused their country to rot from the inside, and they were sure to assume their rightful place as the leaders of the world.

Can fascism come back to Europe in this day and age? Certainly, there are a number of European ultra-nationalist parties that made significant political gains, often sporting racist, anti-semitic, anti-immigrant, and isolationist agendas. These include the National Front in France, Jobbik Party in Hungary, Golden Dawn in Greece, and the Freedom Party in Austria, whose candidate Norbert Hofer is in position to become the country’s President in the current elections.

The rise of such parties can be seen as a response to the threats posed by Islamic terrorism and as an extension of economic issues facing European society, with growing inequalities between members of the shaky European Union. It is unlikely, however, that the changes European ultra-nationalists might effect in their countries would result in authoritarian one-party states. An anti-immigration stance is not in itself fascism.

What about the United States? What would it take for the great bastion of democracy to turn to the dark side? Some feel anxiety listening to the promise to make America great again, which clearly states a need for rebirth so America could attain its lost mythological status. Others are getting ready for a tyrannical government, which would take away their guns and money and abolish their religion. While both parties often invoke fascism in partisan name-calling, the strong position of the state within fascism would go against the grain of the American Republican party, while the social restrictions would be anathema to the Democrats. Fascism is likely the ultimate "outsider" dogma.

Can an outsider channel the anger felt by millions at the supposed failings of the “establishment” and proclaim himself or herself the one authority on all national decisions? It’s hard to fathom the possibility of checks and balances built into the American government to be so easily circumventable. But there is one way that fascism can take hold in the U.S.

5. The ultimate circumstance when people are willing to give up on their ideals is being in a state of great fear for their safety.

This fear has not yet reached its peak and hopefully never will. Scenarios under which some form of fascism could infect the US would include a cataclysmic world war or perhaps more likely - a much more serious terrorist event, like an attack with a nuclear weapon. This could be followed by a severe economic downturn like the Great Depression, and then people might be willing to give up their rights to a strongman.

(hmm)

Thankfully, these conditions are not present in our current world, and we have to hope and work hard so that our institutions can withstand even the gravest threats. Right now, it seems impossible that the kind of militarization, total control of mass media, and social homogeneity fascism requires would ever come to exist in the United States. Still, never say never. History often moves quicker than we can grasp.

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To: Katelew who wrote (81407)7/4/2018 4:37:30 PM
From: combjelly  Respond to of 353747
 
You still don't know what fascism is.

Under fascism, there is a central leader with unlimited power. He, and in all cases so far that leader is male, is a strong authoritarian who is the law and the physical embodiment of the state. There are other things, like xenophobia, hatred of immigrants and foreigners, one or more groups that are enemies of the state, distrust of the media and eventual destruction of all media that isn't subservient to the leader and worship of the military and the police.

Not to mention the idea that other countries are taking advantage of them, are laughing at them, etc. Fear of rampart crime, despite the actual statistics, the idea that the country is in decline and only they can save it are also themes. And very, very consistently is hatred of liberals and the educated, who are betraying the country.



To: Katelew who wrote (81407)7/4/2018 4:38:33 PM
From: Lane3  Respond to of 353747
 
I can't wait to see where Boot, Schmidt, Flake, George Will and Joe Scarborough will be...

Your Uniparty? Has a catchy name, but perhaps with too much baggage.



To: Katelew who wrote (81407)7/4/2018 5:51:45 PM
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<<<<increasing powers over the lives of people. The is NOT the goal of the GOP>>>>>
You are so wrong here Katelew. The reason you don't think the GOP wants power over people is because you agree with the powers they want to enforce.

In the discussion for the SC the first issues brought up are a woman's right to chose, and gay rights. Even though these are long established rights supported by a majority of Americans the GOP makes no secret they want the minority to rule on these issues. The same with such libertarian issues as decriminalization of drug use and right to die with dignity that will also of course be on the wish list of the GOP to impose their ideology onto all of us. Trump is again pushing on the issue of kneeling by athletes - a demand on people to adhere to their increasing push for power over people. I could go on - but your thoughts here are on the bridge of ridiculousness.



To: Katelew who wrote (81407)7/4/2018 9:30:41 PM
From: koan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 353747
 
You are misusing the word fascism and saying things that are not true.. No one is for unsecured boarders.That is a trump lie. And the proposed minimum wage is not arbitrary.

And The Nordic counties have universal health care, free education and higher minimum wages and are not fascist, they are democratic countries in every sense of the word.

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I can't wait to see where Boot, Schmidt, Flake, George Will and Joe Scarborough will be when Democrats become the party of free health insurance, free college, abolishment of ICE, unsecured borders, arbitrary increases in minimum wage and guaranteed government incomes.

If one looks at published definitions of Fascism, the one constant is that a Fascist state emerges and thrives when its government is enlarged and given every increasing powers over the lives of people. The is NOT the goal of the GOP. Republicans have long been the party of smaller government. The GOP has also long been the party which argues states should have more decision-making power relative to the federal govt., the reason being that a state is more in touch with the needs and goals of its individual citizens.