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Biotech / Medical : Zonagen (zona) - good buy? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Myron David Kor who wrote (1690)	1/14/1998 5:47:00 PM
From: Bill Wexler	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 7041

Geez Myron - what are you trying to get at? Vasomax contains 212 mg of milk sugar, 16 mg of a disintegrant, (probably) 40 mg of phentolamine - a 45 year old generic drug that is ineffective for ED, and the remaining 133 mg is composed of other inert bulk. Please don't come back with some silly post claiming that there is some secret, magical substance in the inert bulk; otherwise, I'll begin to think you are completely off your rocker. Myron - let's see if I can spell this out for you: Podolski and his cronies have no room left to hide. the secret is now out. Vasomax is a sham, and there is nothing he can do or say to convince an intelligent person otherwise. I am sure that the company will continue doing its song and dance as long as it can, but ultimately the stock will fall like a stone and investors left holding the bag will suffer huge losses. By the way Myron, I have already checked with a pharmacist and confirmed that everything Asensio claims about manufacturing the pill are true. Instead of continuing to embarrass yourself here, I strongly suggest you make a few phone calls. If you are long the stock, you are getting another gift here - a reasonable bid. Get out while you still can. Now without one iota of doubt - Zonagen is a fraud and a scam.

To: Myron David Kor who wrote (1690)	1/14/1998 11:17:00 PM
From: Dr. Voodoo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7041

Two things, 1.) I am not trying to pick. I have no interest in ZONA other than this fascination with the conversation that goes on on this thread. 2.) I dislike asholio, but I can't believe that he would be so stupid as to set himself up for a lawsuit by making a publicly false claim that could be easily proven. He is entitled to his opinions though From his website, follow the math. "Vasomax contains phentolamine and five other ingredients. All of these other ingredients are completely inert and inactive. In fact, three of these five non-active ingredients,which have no therapeutic value, are the same ingredients, in the exact same quantities, as those found in what Zonagen itself calls a "Standard Release" phentolamine tablet. All of the ingredients in both the Vasomax and the Standard pills are commodity chemicals." >>>MDK: 5-3=2 Again, These are the same three ingredients that are in the already marketed pills, no surprise here. " The two Vasomax ingredients that are different from the Standard pill are an inert,bulking filler and an inert disintegrant. The inert, bulking filler in Vasomax is lactose (a milk sugar). The Standard pill uses 228 mg of dicalcium phosphate as its inert filler and does not contain a disintegrant. Vasomax uses 212 mg of lactose. This slightly smaller quantity of lactose filler allows the incorporation of 16 mg of croscarmellose sodium as a disintegrant. A disintegrant aids in the physical disintegration and dissolution of the pill by swelling after it is swallowed. The mere addition of this simple common compound is the basis of Zonagen's formulation discovery claims." >>>>>MDK:2-2=0 "All of the ingredients in Zonagen's so-called "novel oral formulations" are currently available to doctors and their patients. Any doctor can prescribe a phentolamine pill with the same bulking and disintegrant ingredients mixed in the same quantities if desired. Any compounding pharmacy can then press the pill and dispense it to the patient for treatment of male erectile dysfunction ("MED")." Couple of points that may be of value to the discussion. I would not dispute Zonagen's claims. What Zonagen scientists see in their data is what they see. LIDAK is a great example, they've patented their placebo! I was going to put a few of my opinions about this company and it's prospects but I think this thread is full of those! Questions I ask are. 1.) Where's that NDA? 2.) Why start another trial? Only opinion I have: I wouldn't touch this thing with a ten foot Asholio Vasomax Scandal.