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To: carranza2 who wrote (143968)10/19/2018 7:00:57 PM
From: TobagoJack1 Recommendation

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i dialogued yesterday w/ one erstwhile gold bull whilst doing daily walk

he is in process to sell 2+ metric tons of physical gold stored at the government-operated storage facility within the HK airport. even though he is selling the hoard to the same mint he bought it from, and that the physical chain of custody never passed to his hands (mint => government storage => mint), the global minting company with smelter in HK wants to charge him for melting the gold. thankfully only $1.xx per troy oz. he was not upset over the charge.

he does gripe that the gold trading can not be analysed, as a company can. I thought it was a positive that gold does not feature annual report and quarterly BoD meetings. he feels all markets, stock, bond, ... gold ... are all manipulated and participated in by sovereigns, and have not been true markets for a while. he was upset about the apparent rmb:gold link, for he noted, "i like gold. but how comfortable should i be with regard to rmb?" - good point, certainly.

now that the rmb:gold link appears broken, he hesitates.

he has held the gold since early 2000s, and i figure my friend must be close to being the last bull.

i intend to be the last bull.

the onset of the ostensible rmb:gold link was certainly noticeable and noticed, even understandable, and the link almost inevitable.

the obvious de-link says only that the link may have been an artefact of temporary coincidence.

we of course are trained to suspect coincidences. i do suspect coincidences. i continue to like gold. more the better. now better than later. in our hands better than in their vault.

queue gold porn ...

what 2,000+ kilos looked like when all together during annual inventory time



To: carranza2 who wrote (143968)10/24/2018 9:03:14 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 220341
 
believe the tearing up of the nuclear treaties would be gold-positive, even as it would not move the dial in actual safety of the world, for nuclear is nuclear, with or without treaties, if go kaboom, kaboom big-enough w/ or without treaties

new arms race would require printing and taxing and borrowing and pilfering

not what middle classes everywhere need, but done in their name

it remains true that gold cannot yet be 3D printed

the rest of the macro ranges between bad to awful to truly suck



To: carranza2 who wrote (143968)10/26/2018 5:09:02 PM
From: TobagoJack  Respond to of 220341
 
Re <<Thoughts?>>

so predictable ... cue Bloomberg re gold

bloomberg.com

‘Blood Gold’ Is Financing Rebel Armies, Drug Gangs and Child Labor
Susanne Barton



Cryptographic seals being added to gold bars. BloombergIt’s been labeled “blood gold,” a jarring phrase that ties one of the world’s most valuable metals with brutal mining practices and illicit profits that legitimate miners and refiners are rushing to end.

With miners facing increasing pressure to guarantee the provenance of gold, the group that oversees the world’s largest bullion market is seeking new ways to securely track each step from the mine to the jewelry store. The goal: Stop the metal’s use as a convenient financing tool for South American guerrillas, armed African rebels and drug traffickers.

The push got new urgency in May when Elemetal LLC, previously one of the biggest U.S. refiners, was sentenced on charges linked to illegally mined gold from Peru. This weekend, the London Bullion Market Association meeting in Boston will probe the use of blockchain and other digital ledgers as a solution.

“The industry has opened itself up to various bad actors in the past,” said Peter Grosskopf, the chief executive officer of Sprott Inc., a Toronto-based money manager. Now the pressure is on “to verify provenance as a natural part of how you’re going to sell and trade gold going forward.’’

On May 24, Dallas-based Elemetal was fined by U.S. District Judge Federico Moreno as a result of the plea agreement. It was also put on supervised probation for five years, and restricted from buying precious metals from outside the U.S. At the time, the company said in a statement that it cooperated with the probe and would move forward with “exclusively domestic-focused business.”

The company didn’t return phone calls and an email this week.

Jeremy McDermott, a co-founder of the InSight Crime research institution, is the one who labeled the illicit sales of the metal as "blood gold." Illegal sales surpassed cocaine as the main source of income for illegal groups in Latin America, police have said. Beyond financing rebel activities, the illicit mining fuels prostitution, child labor and widespread environmental destruction, according to findings by the United Nations.

Fighting among armed groups in Colombia over rich gold deposits has forced hundreds of thousands to flee their homes, contributing to the nation’s roughly 7 million internally displaced people. Gold producers are under pressure on falling prices, with metal down more than 5 percent this year at $1,235.59 an ounce.

International RulesWhile Elemetal was charged under U.S. law, the rules governing responsible gold mining are largely international. The London Bullion Market’s “Responsible Gold Guidance Sourcing Program” is mandatory for all of its accredited refiners. The companies are audited annually under the program, and required to report publicly.

“If credible evidence emerges that any LBMA refiner is sourcing gold irresponsibly, we will instigate our incident management process and take appropriate action, including if necessary removing a refiner from our Good Delivery list,” Aelred Connelly, a spokesman for the association, said in an Oct. 23 email.

In the meantime, the body is in the process of surveying its members on how best to securely record data on brand, origin, custody and location on a global platform with blockchain seen as a possible go-to solution.



Some individual companies are already forging ahead on their own. Sprott, for instance, is working with Emergent Technology Holdings LP on its provenance system.

Emergent has completed pilot programs that involve clients using the technology to track gold from mines to vaults, and expects to have "broad adoption” of the program next year, said Matthew Keen, the company’s managing director, in an interview. The company names Valcambi SA, a Swiss refiner, Yamana Gold Inc., and Iamgold Corp. as partners signed up to use its blockchain technology.

Valcambi, one of the world’s largest precious metals refineries, combines ground visits and spot checks to “assess and verify” the responsible practices of counterparties, Michael Mesaric, chief executive officer, said in an Oct. 25 email.

Blood gold isn’t the only issue to be explored at the meeting, which opens on Sunday. The association is set to extend its guidance to include environmental, social and governance standards. For miners that means compliance with rules that can range from worker safety to carbon emissions.

“It’s not just equity investors that want to see more movement on ESG topics, but the debt providers and even the banks providing the credit facilities for the mines,” Emergent’s Keen said. “We’ve been told by miners that they need to improve their ESG ratings. It’s the direction of travel we’re going in.”

— With assistance by Rupert Rowling

(Updates with price in eighth pargraph.)

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