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To: Joseph Silent who wrote (144621)12/12/2018 4:30:22 PM
From: TobagoJack  Respond to of 217833
 
(1) Re <<While I could be wrong, I get the sense that your search for

"opportunity" is always biased to the downside.
>>

you are wrong. I search for opportunity that may be true. I typically do not short. I like my sleep. Am not now exactly long, but am definitely not short.

(2) Re <<Again, I could be wrong, but it seems to me the SEC is jumping on the Lighthizer bandwagon to score some points.>>

you are right, that the SEC is jumping on wagon per Pence all-government approach, but is actually doing Xi Jinping's bidding.

(3) Re <<At this time I do not see China saying "no". The cost of a positive response is small. The cost of a negative response is greater and greater mistrust, and that is the face China wants to and needs to change, to prosper.>>

You might appreciate China / Xi Jinping keeping quiet for a very good reason, that being china wants those listings to be pressured in USA so that the companies would migrate to Shanghai. The companies are understandably less enthusiastic about Shanghai, and so looking at Hong Kong.

At the moment Hong Kong real estate is hiccupping, but really limited to residential and retail, as opposed to office and industrial, because the companies moving in for tax-home is increasing. Folks prefer Hong Kong to Shanghai, for the freedom, and to NYC for the less-hassle.

(4) Re <<Now what pisses me off about all this is the typical Western/SEC idiocy. Why the heck did we allow foreign companies to list on the exchanges if we did not have all the audit requirements in place?

I'll tell you why. Because the fricken' banks and exchanges wanted to get their grubby hands on the IPO and trading money. To heck with what comes after. Same with the SEC. More business, more corruption more fines.

What a funny way to care for society. Put criminals and idiots in leadership positions. Keep all the really smart people wrapped up in problems of survival. Keep the rest tied up in man-made law, but bring God into it whenever convenient.>>

Sounds about right, and has been working extremely well.

Maybe the Yellow Vests in Paris are no different than the Occupy-central in HK and the TianAnMen crowd in Beijing.

One might be forgiven for observing that the rebellion is spreading, slowly, along with the pain, and following the pain, that which is spreading. Am guessing greater pain for the many than most, everywhere, going forward.

Maybe technology can make a difference for the better, or worse.

At some juncture, per martin armstrong, we might see a tipping point, and maybe 2026 / 2032.












To: Joseph Silent who wrote (144621)12/12/2018 6:48:29 PM
From: TobagoJack  Respond to of 217833
 
speaking of which, just out, by usual suspect bloomberg

this is why hk office real estate is rising, from extremely high to outrageously higher

the subjects wrongly believe off-shore trusts be path to salvation

the subjects are wrong, the the will of the majority of the people says they are wrong

tigers, flies, and foxes ... let us see how far they get before being corralled

interestingly, relatively speaking in each jurisdiction that provides for such, exchanging bank deposit for physical gold from the same bank becoming harder than in a long time, and paper gold is where the banks are steering folks seeking salvation

observation / recommendation: physical is superior; and gold only remains cheap when one can still get it.
bloomberg.com

China's Rich Rush to Shelter $1 Trillion From New Taxes
Jinshan Hong
December 13, 2018, 4:00 AM GMT+8

Wealthy Chinese are rushing to shelter assets and income in overseas trusts before new tax rules go into effect next month, including provisions that target offshore holdings.

The Bank of Singapore has seen a 35 percent surge in Chinese clients interested in offshore trusts since the second half of 2018, according to Woon Shiu Lee, head of wealth planning at the bank. The rate of inquiries leading to the establishment of a trust, which offers “tax-planning opportunities” by giving ownership to third-party trustees, has doubled since August, he said.

The reforms, which take effect Jan. 1, are meant to reduce the tax burden on lower-and middle-income people by making the rich pay more. They are also feeding into business for consultants, private bankers and lawyers who specialize in setting up trusts that put ownership of overseas assets at arms-length from a tax perspective.

As China’s rich have gotten richer -- the nation’s personal wealth swelled to an estimated $21 trillion last year -- the practice of holding wealth abroad or changing their tax residence status has become commonplace. Even as the government strengthened controls on taking money out of the country last year to reduce risky outbound M&A deals and prevent capital flight, overseas holdings will reach $1 trillion this year, Boston Consulting Group estimates.

Read more here about the $200 Trillion gold rush reshaping private banking

“The interest in setting up offshore trusts and canceling Chinese household registration has been enormous,” said Peter Ni, a Shanghai-based partner and tax specialist at Zhong Lun Law Firm. “High-net-worth individuals are rushing to make it before the 2019 deadline.”

Some of China’s wealthiest are already using trusts.

Wu Yajun, a developer with an estimated net worth of about $7.5 billion, held almost half of her real estate empire, Cayman Islands-registered Longfor Group Holdings, through a family trust. Last month, she moved assets to another trust set up in her daughter’s name, according to a filing.

Read: China Property Queen Claws Her Way Back With $7 Billion Transfer

Other wealthy trust holders include Zhang Shiping, who uses one in the Cayman Islands to hold a majority stake in one of China’s biggest aluminum makers, China Hongqiao Group.

Trusts put assets under the ownership of third-party trustees. That can sometimes limit an owner’s ability to make some decisions, but can also help steer away from taxes as high as 20 percent on profits of what Chinese authorities consider “controlled foreign corporations.”

Wealth planning offices aren’t the only ones busied by the reforms. China’s tax authority is also swamped with inquiries.

A representative for the national government’s tax hotline said they are busier this year handling queries.

Alan Jia, chief executive officer at wealth-planning adviser Ishtar Consulting Inc., started helping clients set up trusts well before the latest tax reforms came into view.

“Setting up a trust takes time,” Jia said. “Many of our clients had anticipated the tax reform and reacted earlier on.”

China’s State Administration of Taxation didn’t respond to a faxed request for comment.

In September, China implemented an international data-sharing agreement called the Common Reporting Standard, making overseas money much more visible to mainland officials.

That step meshes with a broader crackdown that swept up some high-profile wealthy Chinese closer to home.

In October, the government made an example of film and TV star Fan Bingbing, hitting her and several affiliated companies with a record $129 million in penalties and back taxes. Other celebrities could face penalties if they don’t come clean on unpaid taxes, the government said at the time.

“Some recent cases in China have further spurred panics,” said Jason Mi, a partner at Ernst & Young in Beijing, who is helping clients plan for the new rules. “Chinese business people are nervously looking at what can be done at the last minute.”

— With assistance by Blake Schmidt, Venus Feng, Alfred Liu, Pei Yi Mak, Yinan Zhao, and Shawna Kwan



To: Joseph Silent who wrote (144621)12/13/2018 8:17:59 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 217833
 
Re <<While I could be wrong, I get the sense that your search for

"opportunity" is always biased to the downside.>>

... in a sense yes, meaning one cannot have sound-sleep-up unless one first sidesteps sleep-disturbing-down, to de-risk the arena, much as one should lob grenades into dark basement before entering to check out the situation

at some juncture everything becomes a buy, but first we need several more shoes to fall ~50-75% in other and more representative / indicative markets, for the stuff traded in shanghai and shenzhen cannot be indicative since even if they go to zero would not matter to the investors in general

may not happen, and if not, let's then decide

the credit market may be providing a clue on direction forward, but need not anticipate, only need to wait

bloomberg.com

China's Year of Adversity Slams Traders With $2.1 Trillion Loss
Sofia Horta e Costa
December 14, 2018, 4:00 AM GMT+8
A deluge of misfortunes has left China’s equity investors with their biggest losses in years, wherever you look.

Stung by everything from a national vaccine scandal to a decline in consumer spending, the Trump administration’s crackdown on Chinese tech and Beijing’s tightening grip on education, gaming and drugs, the country’s stock market has lost $2.1 trillion in value in 2018. Languishing in a bear market, all 10 industry groups on the CSI 300 Index are on track to drop about 10 percent or more this year, one of the broadest sell-offs since the global financial crisis.

There’s been nowhere to hide in a market already under pressure from slowing economic growth, record corporate defaults and China’s souring relationship with the U.S. on trade. Below is a look at everything that’s gone wrong for yuan-denominated shares this year, the first time they’ve featured on global equity benchmarks.



Telecoms
Some of China’s most downtrodden stocks are those of companies that make hardware. Allegations that ZTE Corp. and Huawei Technologies Co. violated U.S. sanctions on Iran have led to bans and arrests and caused a whole lot of diplomatic strain between the world’s two largest economies. The pain inflicted on ZTE, which was suspended for two months, was the first clue of how bad things would be this year.

Tech
Nowhere in the equity market were the ripples of the trade war more evident than in China’s technology sector. Their vast and global supply chain meant that companies like GoerTek Inc., down 58 percent this year, are considering whether to shift their production out of China in order to continuing doing business. The Trump administration’s plans to tighten restrictions on exports due to national security concerns have weighed on surveillance stocks, most notably Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology Co.

Consumer
China’s consumers were supposed to be isolated from the trade war fallout. But escalating tensions hit confidence just as a collapse in peer-to-peer lending platforms wiped out some individuals’ finances. Consumers’ tightened their purses and looked for bargains: sales of cars, washing machines, premium liquor and beer all disappointed at some point in the year. Making matters worse is intensifying competition, further squeezing profitability. A gauge of consumer discretionary stocks has lost 34 percent since its January high.

Drugs
Another slam-dunk trade gone awry: pharma. Defensive and exposed to the growing medical needs of China’s aging population, the stocks were loved by investors as recently as June. That all began unraveling after public anger erupted over a vaccine scandal that quickly contaminated the stocks of other companies. After a brief period of stabilization, a fresh wave of selling came this month amid panic that the government is driving down generic drug prices through a new procurement program.

How China’s New Drug-Buying Program Is Causing Pain: QuickTake

Education
Beijing was also behind a global sell-off in Chinese education companies, a sector which is still so new to public markets that it had only just grabbed investors’ attention. China in November blindsided everyone with a set of new rules prohibiting those companies from financing for-profit kindergartens via the stock market. Vtron Group Co. is down almost 60 percent for the year, and newly listed peers in Hong Kong also got slapped. The concern is that tighter regulation will put a ceiling on the high pace of growth that investors were counting on for the country’s nascent private education industry.



To: Joseph Silent who wrote (144621)12/14/2018 9:35:55 PM
From: TobagoJack  Respond to of 217833
 
I had earlier pointed out what should be pointed out, that

<< Message 31927066

"opportunity" ...
you are right, that the SEC is jumping on wagon per Pence all-government approach, but is actually doing Xi Jinping's bidding.

(3) Re <<At this time I do not see China saying "no". The cost of a positive response is small. The cost of a negative response is greater and greater mistrust, and that is the face China wants to and needs to change, to prosper.>>

You might appreciate China / Xi Jinping keeping quiet for a very good reason, that being china wants those listings to be pressured in USA so that the companies would migrate to Shanghai. The companies are understandably less enthusiastic about Shanghai, and so looking at Hong Kong.

At the moment Hong Kong real estate is hiccupping, but really limited to residential and retail, as opposed to office and industrial, because the companies moving in for tax-home is increasing. Folks prefer Hong Kong to Shanghai, for the freedom, and to NYC for the less-hassle.>>

Here be the follow-up, indicating one should wait for many shoes to fall and then pick up what positions earlier investors choose to de-camp, cheap, and weather the storm for the inevitable inexorable rejuvenation, de-risked.

I can just see it now. Congressional hearings on “who lost China, part 2”

wsj.com

Will China Cheat American Investors?Beijing wants to bring home its big tech firms. U.S. shareholders may face undervalued buyouts.

By
Jesse M. Fried and
Matthew Schoenfeld

Dec. 13, 2018 6:45 p.m. ET

While Washington and Beijing battle over trade, a worrisome cross-border financial link has escaped scrutiny: Americans now collectively own most of the public equity of China’s biggest tech companies, including Alibaba, Baidu and Weibo. This relationship is strange (imagine if the Chinese owned most of Amazon, Facebookand Google). It’s also extremely risky, at least for American investors.

China’s tech darlings began tapping U.S. investors in the early 2000s, when mainland capital markets were unsophisticated and strict profitability requirements shut out most fast-growing tech firms. Dozens of Chinese unicorns and near-unicorns went to New York to raise capital from Americans eager for exposure to China’s explosive growth.

Such investment was technically proscribed by China’s tough laws restricting foreign investment in the internet sector. But Beijing turned a blind eye because funding this critical industry domestically was fraught with risks. Unlike in the U.S., China’s stock market is dominated by retail investors. Cash-burning startups in hypergrowth mode are harder to value—even for sophisticated, institutional investors—than mature ones. They are therefore more vulnerable to violent price swings. Instability is dangerous for autocrats, especially in a country without a sturdy social safety net.

The relationship seemed like a win-win: U.S. investors got to own fast-growing companies, while China avoided destabilizing manias and panics. But the symbiosis began to break down as these hypergrowth companies matured. American investors became dispensable, and thus vulnerable to expropriation.

It started around 2014 with a wave of confiscatory “take private” transactions led by Chinese controlling shareholders. The objective was to delist U.S. shares at low buyout prices and later relist them in China at a much higher valuation.

Consider the July 2016 take-private of Qihoo 360, an internet security firm. The founders squeezed out U.S. shareholders at $77 a share, reflecting a value of $9.3 billion. In February 2018, they relisted Qihoo on the Shanghai Stock Exchange at a valuation north of $60 billion. That’s a 550% return. Qihoo’s chairman personally made $12 billion upon relisting, more than he claimed the entire company was worth 18 months earlier.

Public investors in a firm with a controlling shareholder always face the risk of an unfair take-private. But investors in U.S.-listed Chinese companies are particularly vulnerable. Most incorporate in the Cayman Islands. This jurisdiction affords investors much less protection than Delaware, home to most U.S. companies. Neither U.S. nor Cayman court judgments can be enforced in China, where insiders and assets are based. Chinese controllers can thus squeeze out the minority on terms that would make American controllers blush. More than 60 U.S.-listed Chinese companies have been taken private since 2013.

Investors in large-caps like Alibaba and Baidu have felt safe from this type of expropriation because the companies seemed too big to be taken private. But China’s regulatory apparatus started taking an ax to the tech behemoths this year, sending their share prices into free-fall.

Alibaba’s burgeoning e-payment business has been stifled by a series of curbs. NetEase, an e-gaming company, has been subject to a freeze on government approval of new games. Search giant Baidu has been probed unrelentingly over “subversive” content. All told, the four largest U.S.-listed Chinese tech firms—these three plus JD.com —have lost more than $125 billion in market capitalization, about 20% of their value, since March 30.

It’s unlikely regulators would be as aggressive if Chinese retail investors, rather than Americans, were holding the bag. Beijing may be deliberately tanking these companies’ shares to pave the way for Chinese investors to acquire interests at lower prices.

It’s no secret that Beijing remains focused on bringing its largest crown jewels home. In March the Chinese Security Regulatory Commission unveiled a pilot plan to encourage overseas-listed Chinese companies valued at more than 200 billion yuan ($31.9 billion) to float shares in China while remaining listed overseas.

The Big Four qualify. But to date none has participated in the pilot program. Beijing may be waiting for their stock prices to fall further to ensure that the retail investors who buy newly floated shares are protected from further losses. Once local investors have bought into Alibaba and its peers on the cheap, Beijing may relieve the regulatory pressure.

Despite the warning signs, American investors continue lining up for Chinese initial public offerings. In fact, Chinese companies have raised more than $8.5 billion in U.S. markets this year, the most since 2014. This week, Tencent Music Entertainment went public in the U.S., raising about $1 billion at a valuation exceeding $20 billion. Let’s hope investors price in the risk.

Mr. Fried is a professor at Harvard Law School. Mr. Schoenfeld is a portfolio manager at Burford Capital.




To: Joseph Silent who wrote (144621)1/24/2019 6:26:51 AM
From: TobagoJack1 Recommendation

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Following up per watch & brief to this item Message 31930956
<<Will China Cheat American Investors?Beijing wants to bring home its big tech firms. U.S. shareholders may face undervalued buyouts.>>

It sure appears that team USA has done everything to push team China away, cheered on by msm and yet be accusing team China for cheating to get away from predators out to destroy team China companies. Team USA seem to have a very peculiar and confusing definition / operation of freedom of choice.

Attack the victim, drop the valuation, then accuse the victim of scurrying away too cheaply.

Can anyone blame team China for lack of enthusiasm for dialogue / workout as opposed to simply workaround and say bye bye. Treating team China as ussr is I suspect wrong approach because China is part of the global DNA. Treating team China as simply a bigger Japan is wrong, am guessing, because Japan was never big, on any scale.

As the world bifurcates, we see the unintended come to the fore, and they might prove material.

Trump did say trade war is easy to win. He never defined win. All eyes on his advisors who should prepare to be blamed for in-win a won, maybe.

Watch & brief.

bloomberg.com

The Sun’s Out for Chinese Solar Stocks AgainBeijing is keen to nurture a rare instance of leadership in a key technology industry. Investors are taking notice.
Shuli RenJanuary 24, 2019, 7:00 AM GMT+8

Markets

By



Enjoy it while it lasts. The policy weather can be changeable.

Photographer: Qilai Shen/Bloomberg

JA Solar Holdings Co. is going home, where the sun’s shining.

The Chinese maker of solar modules will soon go public in Shenzhen via a $1.1 billion backdoor listing, only six months after taking itself private in the U.S. 1 Following a disappointing 2018, solar stocks are on a tear.

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