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To: NAG1 who wrote (391686)	12/13/2018 7:54:16 PM
From: koan	Respond to of 540752

No need to apologize,and I do not know what Mccaskills experince is.. But it is not what I saw and I am educated in the subject of what social programs a society needs and how to implement them; and wrote major social programs for a living in real life for over a decade. Here is how it works very often in California and I am sure across the country. The "junior college system" is "The Catcher In The Rye", for we poor kids. We had no money and no one who went to college to guide us. And we worked so much in high school we had little time for study, and NO study habits at all. And no intellectual conversations at home! The community college was a second chance for a more mature person. I was freshman class president and president of my fraternity, so I knew a lot of the kids and how they did and what happened to them, many of whom I went to high school with. We came to the community college with little knowledge, terrible high school grades and had to "catch up". And we did catch up. Almost everyone I knew went on to four year colleges and were successful in life. My cousin who is the same age as I, and went with me to Contr Costa College and then on to get a PHD in entomology is known as "spider man". Dr Schmoller. And both of his sisters went on to get masters degrees. He was poorer than I and his parents did not want him to go to school. They wanted him to get a job-lol! Free pre school and an expanded community college system would also greatly reduced the obscene income inequality in this nation. They are the equalizers for the poor! Poor kids are two years behind rich kids and kids of academics by the time they hit kindergarten. The variable identified was the amount of words spoken in the households and I am sure the pre school almost all rich and academics send their kids to and the poor cannot afford was also a variable. Research done at Stanford. Importance of early childhood development. We poor kids go to a community college and then transfer to a four year state college and then a university for graduate work. I have been at all three and saw little difference either in student capability or quality of professors . And I think I am qualified to know as well as anyone, I know what Plato and Sartre were talking about. You get a lot of overachievers in more prestigious colleges, like GW going to Yale-lol!. Or Trump going to Whartons-lol. But the point of education, IMO, is to gain knowledge and wisdom and we should, as a society do our best to help the poor kids who want to get an education and there are legions of them, especially since the Republican plutocrats under GW Bush decided to make college loans a business and tuition so high. I know so many smart poor kids saved by Californians community college system. MOST of the kids I knew did just fine and learned a lot which helps our society. PS the children of my friends almost all went to college because we taught them the importance of school. One of my daughters went to UC Berkeley , and incidentally, was assigned Richards book The Island withhin, while there and then on to law school and married a physics professor at a northwest college. My other daughter is a scientist in several fields. My junior college experience spawned all of this. Cheers <<oan, I apologize as well and will make one last reply on this thread. About going too far left, Senator Mccaskill has something to say about this at the end of this segment on Morning Joe. Seems to make sense to me msnbc.com As to not everyone being college material, I went to City College New York during the period of open enrollment. There was a lot of money wasted on students that did the minimum to string out payments they got for attending college but didn't really try during that time period. Now there were quite a few that did use the opportunity and there were those that tried but did not have the fundamentals to be where they were, but to me, looking back, there was a lot of waste. A big part of the problem back then was that there were students that were always in remedial classes. There was no reason why they should have been at college. My sister who has been a special education teacher for decades at one of the colleges sees some of the same. Some students try real hard and some are there to take up space. Just saying what I experienced. I am all for education and for people to go as far as they can. But it needs to make sense for everybody, or we are just wasting time and money. One of my chemistry professors was teaching a class( I can't remember if it was remedial or not) talked about coming up with test questions He would ask about something and the multiple choice answers he would provide were a)increases b)decreases c)remains the same d)none of the above He was always take aback by how many chose d.