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To: Sam who wrote (391930)	12/16/2018 4:35:44 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542990

I disagree with that analysis of her. That is not what I see. We have adjusted to a sham of what a society should be like, by being feed right wing horseshit for 50 years and mostly been under their domination. We have come to accept neurotic behavior as normal. What she, and indeed most liberals in congress have been trying do, is say what a normal 21st century society should have for social services. And her policies are sound from a social scientist point of view. Too many in our country have this crazy idea every other western Democracy can offer universal health care and affordable education, but we can't? The richest nation on earth. Does that make any sense? Here we are saying: "well I hope she doesn't go too far", or she has no idea on how this will get done. Every other Western Democracy has already done it. We are the backward one's. Enough of that. The Democratic party knows how to get this done and the progressives are intent on bringing us up to modern social standards like in the Nordic countries. And we can get it done after 2020. All we ever needed was the power. <<ag-- It is one thing to talk about getting things done and another thing to get things done in this hyperpartisan environment....She is green and I am willing to give her time to figure things out. I hope she herself figures that out within a few months of being in office. Someone should give her a copy of Robert Caro's biography of LBJ to learn something about Congress, especially his volume 3, Master of the Senate, but also volume 4, where he goes into how Johnson got the Civil Rights bills passed. Unhappily, she seems like a person who wears her emotions on her sleeve and may be incapable of the kind of abstract thought divorced from emotions that dealing with this hyperpartisan environment requires in order to be effective (as are many members of the GOP, perhaps I should add--the so-called "Freedom Caucus" members as well as others not formally part of that coalition).

To: Sam who wrote (391930)	12/16/2018 9:18:15 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 542990

At the moment, AOC reminds me of a government student who worked with me as an intern when I was a software engineer. She was doing documentation for me. We were talking, and I told her about the Texas legislature. It meets part time and the legislators were paid, at the time, $5000 a year. She was from CA, and was shocked that people as important as lawmakers were paid so little. I told her about the story of the 'chicken king' going around the legislature while it was voting to buy votes with $10k blank checks. More shock! texasobserver.org Raising chickens made Bo Pilgrim famous. Handing out $10,000 checks inside the Texas Capitol made him notorious. In 1989, during consideration of a bill to reform the state’s workers compensation laws, Pilgrim walked onto the floor of the Senate, where a committee meeting was concluding, and handed out $10,000 checks to key legislators involved in the workers comp debate. Several legislators took the checks. When the story was reported in the news media, senators returned the checks to Pilgrim. (One senator didn’t exactly return the check. He had already cashed it, so he had to write a new check to Pilgrim.) Then, I told her that we Texans feel that, if a legislator can't make the job pay, they shouldn't be there. I told her about hanging out in the observers gallery and seeing that some of these yahoos were just the wealthy scions of some rancher, in Austin to party. They didn't give a damn about any legislating.