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To: NAG1 who wrote (391959)	12/16/2018 8:22:42 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 544064

"If we had taken a vote on the ACA the day Obama got in." If we had taken a vote on a climate plan ... However, there was no bill for either on paper on Day 1, and the economy was losing 750,000 jobs a month, so a stimulus bill was first, and that took a few months to write and pass.

To: NAG1 who wrote (391959)	12/17/2018 11:44:06 AM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 544064

My intended point was that we gained no ground with the Republicans by trying to work with them. Obama set up a 6 person bipartisan panel of three dems and thee pubs and in the end all the pubs voted against it. Obama wasted his honeymoon on those Republican jerks and a couple of blue dog dems as I remember. The gerrymandering fiasco can be laid at the feet of Obama and Tim Kaine, Neither Obama or Tim Kaine wanted a fight with the Republicans. Which is why Obama appointed him. Kaine, probably as he was governor of Virgina, a purple state. And Obama was sort of keeping the Democratic party at arms length according to Chuck Todd's book. So while Obama and Kaine were playing patty cake with the Republicans, Mcconnell and the Republicans were laying an ambush for him by extensive gerrymandering and doing everything in their power to make him a one term president by obstructing his legislation. Obama was still in his "no red American and no Blue America" phase and was bending over backward to get along with Republicans. He ever appointed several to top positions in Defense and intelligence agencies, like the FBI, and they mostly came back to bite him in the ass. We have since learned the Republicans are junk yard dogs and need to be tamed. << If we had taken a vote on the ACA the day Obama got in , It would have been the same as a year later. The Republicans played us and Obama lost his honey moon during that year. The Dems couldn't agree on what the ACA should look like, especially in the Senate, from memory, but there were also lots of middle of the road dems that needed changes in how the bill was initially introduced in order to be able to vote for it. It took a long time to put together a bill that could get passed and getting all the part to work together to lower costs. Now did the Republicans like Collins play the Dems, I think that is true. But that is responsible for only part of the time it took to get the ACA passed.