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To: Chris land who wrote (10814)	1/17/1998 10:56:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Respond to of 39621

My dear Chris, I take not living under the Inquisition period of time a great blessing and I have given thanks for it more than you would believe I wasn't just making up to sound "spiritual". It is a fact that I would not have lasted very long in any of the centuries, as it is medieval historical fact that nearly all factions of born again persons and most especially those who professed to have received the Holy Spirit directly from God, and who opposed the rituals that kept them from scripture and witnessing to each other died absolutely gruesome and horrible deaths. And it is also fact that the forces of evil behind the Roman order were so sophisticated and advanced that it took a papal Bull under Innocent the III stating that while Francis lived no other Pope could kill him is rather interesting. The INquisition, after all, was an arm of the Papal authority, to be sure no one erred from Pope worship and priest captivity. Teresa of Avila also narrowly avoided being burned quite alive because her relationship with Jesus disturbed people like priests and monks who hadn't a clue what she was talking about so thought it best to burn her up. The Poor Knights of the Temple, known now as the Templars, as if it is something horrible and evil, were so tough because they were also combat warriors. OF course, they also were mostly noblemen who had also taken the Benedictine vows, about the strictest and most severe of all. And could they NOT stand up to their Benedictine vows, they agreed that the punishment for not cutting the order of the Poor Knights of the Temple was banishment to the most self-denying little orders in the far reaches of the Kingdom. So I believe the Benedictine Templar KNights were in fact brothers in Christ. It is of horrifying interest that it was the Dominican priests who were burning the flesh off their feet and ripping them apart and doing things which make the first two sound decent, to help the King of France find them "heretics" so he could take over their supposed fortune in lands and donated personal possessions and of course booty from crusades. But the Dominican priests, dear dedicated brethren that THEY were, simply found the Templars died too quick, and the others just kept passing out and not "recanting" that they were perverts and hated God. So, the good Dominican priests petitioned the Pope, Clement V, to let them do more "stuff" to get the "answers". A Papal Bull was issued stating that the good Dominican priests could inflict "whatever persuasions their minds could conceive of". They all rejoiced that the cause of Christ could now really be advanced I guess. Obviously none of the people involved were vaguely followers of Jesus Christ. And if so, they were totally and completely insane at the time of the 600 reign of terror against true Chrisitans called the Inquisition (or, Board of "inquiry") I do not mind bringing up the Inquisition no matter how uncomfortable it makes anyone. Uncounted numbers of people wait for judgment on what others did to them, and those certainly are among those in Rev. 6. It is a horrifying little secret kept all these centuries, and we still think it was the local police burning witches, don't we? I certainly did, and I took European History til it was coming out of my ears, and still ended up rather thinking of the Inquistion as local police burning witches, like most others do. This serves two great purposes for the devil. It gives witches sympathy not deserved, nor did it ever happen, and if so it was because of crimes that the local police did find them doing, and second, it covers up the worst secret of all. The problem with what really happened to the Book of Acts.

To: Chris land who wrote (10814)	1/18/1998 1:38:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Respond to of 39621

Yes, brother Chris, I have changed my mind and now do accept the post of scribe of the Inquisitional Tribunal, to be sure the second trial goes at least according to the rules of the Middle Ages, and demands at least that much truth before coming to a group decision on guilt. In this second trial, the accused has requested of the court and the request has been seconded by witnesses according to the rules of the Inquisition as set down in the year of our Lord 1235 that such accusations against the heresies of the heretick be presented out of the mouth of the heretick. Here we have departed from the accepted rules and orders in that you merely state that said heretick Alan "thinks that all the Jews lack is Jesus Christ", and otherwise they qualify as human beings. But the Inquisitional Tribunal does not find this a true statement, and does not feel that Jews qualify as anything but overt practicing satan worshippers, each and every one of them, and find the heretick Alan in league with satan. This is a serious charge, and one of course inspired by God Himself to swiftly and unmercifully deal with, finding Jews sufficiently human and only in need of Jesus Christ. But are there other charges as serious that the court can find posted by the defendant in his own words? Since this is l998, we need to upgrade slightly to direct quotes in fact made by those before the court. And according to the exact rules, we must use the accused persons own words, and that if requested by a third party, which is me. So, can you find other heresies and blasphemies against Jesus Christ that contradict the words of Jesus Christ concerning salvation? Which of course is the purpose of the trial--that Alan does not qualify as a saved person, and is in fact in league with satan. Or can any man here find words spoken by Alan at any time which directly conflict with the words of Jesus Christ concerning salvation? This is as much a matter of Inquisitional record now as anything, and may or may not have any bearing on reality, but it is indeed about time to clear this matter of the trial of Alan up once and for all, and to determine who gave anyone the right to call for a trial in the first place., So, may the court continue with the charges until a final verdict in the second trial is found for innocence or guilt.