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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (1108926)	1/9/2019 8:05:14 PM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1579981

Ref. The shrinking Sea Ice and Climate change. You put the Arctic data in there. It would be more appropriate to put the Antarctic data in there as well. The skeptics say the Antarctic ice has been increasing. nsidc.org And there has been a warming trend? OK, in the UK, the temperature during the winter is higher these days. I know that from personal experience from the 1960's till now. During the 80's we would have freezing temperature before November. Doesn't happen these days. But why is the CO2 the crucial factor? There is not proof to say it is, and I have looked, only briefly, but as yet I have not yet found the convincing argument. I have seen convincing arguments that H2O and aerosols have a big effect on IR radiation in and out of the atmosphere, where is the convincing data on CO2?? I want a source that is independent of the Climate change crowd. Sorry they are not to be trusted, too much personal interest at stake as I see it, and I have just reviewed the climategate incident again. It has all the usual characteristics of a government initiated damage control and disinformation exercise aspect to it. The "Emperor has New Clothes" fairy tale & parable was written for a good reason most likely. It's a very old trick and one that still works today, as good as ever. To the tune of $Trillions$ at the moment. One thing that has definitely changed. The visibility of our atmosphere. In the good old days, maritime visibility was of paramount importance as very few sea going vessels had radar. The visibility extinction coefficient was measured all the time for that reason. Now the trend was really bad for many decades on a global scale because of all the coal that was burned. Since the cities went smokeless, or stopped burning coal altogether, our visibility has been improving again. China is an exception of course and we know why. A UK based review. atmos-chem-phys.net I have not read much about our improving visibility in the newspapers or heard much about the subject from the IPCC. All I hear are statements from people who are obviously positioned to say what they are told to say. It is not impressive stuff at all as far as I am concerned. It does not rise above religious propaganda, and I suggest to stick more with detailed information the CO2 component of GW (or other effect caused by humans) rather then just inform us it's warming. Just because the trend is warming, by itself that means squat. Next year it could be cooling down to the next ice age, there is some nice papers showing that possibility, and we would not be able to do anything about that either. Looking after the current world population, educating it, and helping ourselves to reducing the population over a period of generations, without overall force by government, would be a much more productive way of helping the environment then the current set of behaviours. Sure we can be stupid and just act like we always have to date... that gets us to a world wide Red zone a la France today. Hot or cold, it wont matter. messynessychic.com This is what beckons for the next generation, on a world wide scale. This is what we have to stop. It maybe harder to fix then global warming for all I know, but there is no other way forward as Bartlett's exponential equation begins to bite, and it's already biting hard.