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To: maceng2 who wrote (1110662)1/15/2019 3:45:56 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1572773
 
"I would have been jealous frankly."
You should write something up and send it to Watts.

"I think it in encouraging that the normal person is willing to contribute in important science debate"
Contributions happen in science journals and meetings, not blogs.

"Where it says 'organized denial'"...
I told you about that last week...
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Public attention was renewed amidst summer droughts and heat waves when James Hansen testified to a Congressional hearing on 23 June 1988, [70] stating with high confidence that long term warming was under way with severe warming likely within the next 50 years, and warning of likely storms and floods. There was increasing media attention: the scientific community had reached a broad consensus that the climate was warming, human activity was very likely the primary cause, and there would be significant consequences if the warming trend was not curbed. [71] These facts encouraged discussion about new laws concerning environmental regulation, which was opposed by the fossil fuel industry. [72]

From 1989 onwards industry funded organisations including the Global Climate Coalition and the George C. Marshall Institutesought to spread doubt among the public, in a strategy already developed by the tobacco industry. [73] [74] [75] A small group of scientists opposed to the consensus on global warming became politically involved, and with support from conservative political interests, began publishing in books and the press rather than in scientific journals. [76] This small group of scientists included some of the same people that were part of the strategy already tried by the tobacco industry. [77] Spencer Weartidentifies this period as the point where legitimate skepticism about basic aspects of climate science was no longer justified, and those spreading mistrust about these issues became deniers. [78] As their arguments were increasingly refuted by the scientific community and new data, deniers turned to political arguments, making personal attacks on the reputation of scientists, and promoting ideas of a global warming conspiracy. [79]

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To: maceng2 who wrote (1110662)1/16/2019 1:20:11 PM
From: Thomas A Watson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1572773
 
The reason I found that video was that I was looking for an article by Willis on clear sky up welling radiation. I have found that Willis as he suggested seem unable to speak in science goobledee-gook. His explanations are always clear and easily understood by myself.

So on water vapor or the effects of higher dew points as I think of it. Willis has posted some informative analysis of total TOA and LOA. In particular I was looking for the explanation of a chart Willis had created.

It is from this article. wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com /2014/03/24/water-vapor-feedback/

The chart is figure 4. But if you look at Figure 1 you see the enormous current effects of water vapor, The effect of a gas in the 20 thousand parts per million and higher. You see the effects of a gas varying in on order of magnitude PPM. CO@2 has increased 100 ppm from 300 to 400.

The total green house effect is 33. So some gas varying by 25% has an effect when a far more potent gas is varying by thousands of percents. And a passive resistive absorber filter spread across miles and mile would have log decaying summed effect.

Two 50% filter in series do have a 100% effect. The have a .75% effect. What is a 1 foot layer of air as a filter. Then what is the effect of 10 or 100 layers of 1 foot. Chose whatever layer thickness you want. More scientifically one would use an n thickness layer. n = PV/fT




Figure 4. Scatterplot of 1°x1° gridcell average atmospheric absorption and average temperature. The green data points are land gridcells, and the blue points show ocean gridcells. N (number of observations) = 64,800.

https://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2014/03/24/water-vapor-feedback/