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To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (10847)	1/18/1998 1:02:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Robert; The problem I have with you is that you talk one way and come back and state the opposite of what you are trying to convey. Why don't you state your belief's on the current State of Israel and the Jewish people world wide me being one of them and we can go from there. If you have no problem with Israel's right to exist I will take you for your word, but shed some light that will enforce your statement. If you believe and wish to become Jewish that's your opinion and you have a right to whatever you wish to believe. The present state of Israel is anti-christ and apostate as is all other religions and nations that reject that Jesus is the Christ , the Son of the Living God, and that salvation is through Him alone. To disagree with that statement is to disagree with Almighty God. Do you not see that Alan ?. Yes Robert I see that. Let me also remind you that there are many believing Jews in Israel so what's your point. The same statement can be true of this Country as well, and the list goes on and on. Find me one country were all believe Jesus is the Messiah. Robert you sit on the pot just like everyone else you are just another non perfect human in this world just like me an all other humans. "My responses to you have been against your false teachings and Jewish fables, which you so willingly promote, that clearly violate the Word of God." My false teachings are solely based on not Judging others and no more. We are not living in a perfect society Robert a Christian can be a sexual pervert Just as a Jew can be one as well. I know the importance of excepting Jesus as my way to heaven, so you are not listening to what I am saying. THOU SHALT NOT JUDGE. Our purpose is to reach out and share the good news of Jesus in love, and not to provoke ones anger by throwing Satan worship theology on others. If you Judge man what makes you think that you will not Judge God. Think about that statement. What did SATAN do did he not JUDGE god. You need to sit down and look at yourself and stop Judging others which includes myself. Alan

To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (10847)	1/18/1998 2:11:00 PM
From: Robert E. Hall	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Alan, PLEASE ANSWER my Questions I put to you in my Post # 10847. I am wise to your tactics of trying to draw me away from valid questions that I put to you, by adding and twisting things that are said. Robert

To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (10847)	1/18/1998 4:47:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Dear Robert, you know the old saying, here's a quarter, go by a clue? Actually I think it's pretty recent because I got it from a 20 year old, but anyway, I believe that you have clearly overstepped your bounds as a brother in Christ. Are you a pastor? HAve you been appointed Thought Police for Jewish believers? I do mean this and I would with respect ask that you seriously consider an answer to my questions. I find your almost KGB intrusion into a man's thoughts between him and His God, who is also My God, and we share many private thoughts and aspirations concerning the Kingdom of God and who shall be there as every believer who has ever lived has done, but in no lives outside of those who died t the hand of satan have I seen such vitriolic mind control. YOu allow no vision, no burden for souls, no Christian normal mental activity in Alan's life. How dare you be so rude. And how dare you confuse our Lord Jesus cHrist and the Holy Spirit with the detestable spirit that created the gualgages in Russia for those that satan could not control how they thought either. Or a guy who beats his women if they show an ounce of rebellion against his total psychotic control? By what scripture have you been assigned the duty of beating Alan's thoughts out of his mind, and how dare you usurpt the role of the Holy Spirit in Alan's life? Have you given this any thought, or can you show me any scripture now to justify the fact that you will have Alan think exactly as you a GENTILE have been instructed to think, and that Gentiles are now given the go ahead to beat Jewish thought or Old Testament soulish ties out of the Jewish believers. Only the Jewish believers, when the entire New Testament is clearly built on the Old. I don't care if you literally make a little plastic image of the new covenant and paste causcasians and Chinese and black faces all over it and worship it at night. The fact is you need to show me scriptures where Alan must profess alliegence to anything but Jesus Christ or you are allowed to bully, be rude, be obnoxious, and chase him from thread to thread interrupting the Holy Spirit's workings in other areas, and denying us all fellowship that is REALLY important. Give me the courtesy of scriptures you operate under please so they can be examined and then perhaps presented for further Inquiry. Please in the name of Jesus I respectfully ask that you provide the scriptures under which you operate in this matter, and again from the mouth of Jesus Christ, or from the book of Acts. Paul has been determined as an area where the unstable wrest to their destruction, and I ask only for scriptures from our Lord Jesus Christ..

To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (10847)	1/18/1998 6:20:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Robert, you twist the pure and simple salvation of the Life and Death of Jesus Christ. Without it all your babbling forever about all of your mute points of doctrine that have nothing to do with anyithing but social overviews are of no avail. You bash Alan relentlessly for his romanticized views of Jews which the Lord Jesus and His Holy Spirit will deal with nicely, I can assure you. If in fact they have both not agreed that Alan is to have a burden for the Jews, and work diligently bringing them in one by one. THese jntrinsic and advanced understandings of the gentile/old tesstsament Jew ideas are not part of salvation, and deal more with witnessing and getting along with each other more than anything. I never paid a speck of attention to it, and have had a very fruitful life with Jesus Christ and have experienced a lot of truly divine miracle activity others apparently have not since they have no knowledge whatsoever of what I speak. Therefore don't judge me. Not a good idea. As it is not a good idea for me to judge you. Ihave tried and tried and tried not to, but I notice you were driving the guys nuts before I got here, and also drove off another sweet believer name Jeshua or whatever he called himself. You seem to intrude rudely into the areas designated for the Holy Spirit. He takes over when a person gets saved Robert. Only in a mind controlling, destructive cult is the initiate introduced to Jesus and then turned over to jailers and mind controllers and those who feed the initiate/convert what they are supposed to think. You turn the simple salvation given by God through His Son into a concept centering around gentile this and that. All of these words are starting to bore me. My post to Paul is at the top. IF you have something against my words, bring them up and judge them against the words of Jesus, or anything from Acts. I will accept no more pulling out things from Paul hammered into shape to fit the Spotlight magazine more than anything.

To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (10847)	1/18/1998 6:43:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Respond to of 39621

Robert FOR THE RECORD: America is a gut shot elephant, lumbering through the brush ready to crash on its face. The churches are mostly a sham, and have become bars without beer, so full of sin that's all I hear the preachers bemoaning any more on TV. Or tell me in person. Except the dear little places I've been able to find that eschew "the new thing God is doing". The generation coming up openly worships satan. There are growing numbers of Americans who now kill pets and drink blood And murder in the name of satan. The only traces with Christianity approaching the legacy of the Bible died about 1983. The rest of it is pleasing to you, but not me. This country is as apostate as humanly possible. Throw the new Isreal in with the Old, please. I don't really like either one of them very much any more, and I believe I would I wouldn't be judged very harsely for those views. All of your statement seem less and less on the mark, and more and more arguing to argue. Complicating salvation is forbidden by scripture, and frankly you seem to me to fall into the accursed catagory Paul clearly points out. So I guess this is all a matter of perspective. Like I said once clearly for all. I stand only on the Word of God, starting with the mouth of Jesus as recorded, working down from there. When it doesn't line up with Him, it is usually because a human has messed with it in some way. I don't think I'll respond to you any more directly Robert. It gets nowhere, but please feel free to find anything I have said in error and bust me with scripture so I won't do it again. Do not repeat the New Covenant either, please. That is a dead animal still stomped to death. The New Covenant is given to the gentiles, and given to the Jews to accept to relieve them of dreaded and depressing legal obligations that could never be fulfilled. The Jews only have to accept Jesus Christ to be saved and enter eternal life, and there are no other restrictions placed upon them as to a new understanding of the Old Covenant. That is all Jesus Christ said that any human had to do. Was believe on Him, that He is the Son of God, whose blood covered all sins, and that person will be saved. Your messing with divine plan is your business. But trying to bring me in on it is mine. I stand on Paul. Deliver a new gospel to me and I'll just shake the dust off my feet and leave the judgement to the Trinity where it belongs.