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To: Flair who wrote (16305)1/18/1998 11:52:00 PM
From: Daniel Schuh  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 24154
 
I don't want to dissect this whole post, it's late and I've written way to much as usual. Let's just take

4. It looks like that you don't believe that Microsoft has a bit of integrity to compete fairly against other companies. Let's wait and see if DOJ can prove this point.

That is, Microsoft is presumed to have a bit of integrity unless DOJ can turn the wimpy consent decree, that nobody was ever impressed with except Anne Bingaman, into something meaningful. I'd say, offhand, that DOJ has taken things a lot farther than anyone would have ever expected, I wouldn't put much stock in the outcome of this little caper. It's the Sherman Act in the background you got to watch for. To repeat a favorite little snippet:

Once it determines that a new company is a threat, Microsoft can deploy its integration strategy with a vengeance. In September 1995, Paul Maritz, the executive in charge of Microsoft's operating-system business, met with executives of Intel Corp., the leading microchip maker. It was a month after Netscape had sold shares to the public and the Internet start-up was suddenly a hot company.

When the discussion turned to Netscape, one Intel executive, who asked not to be identified, recalled Maritz saying: "We are going to cut off their air supply. Everything they're selling, we're going to give away for free." (from nytimes.com


This sounds pretty much to me like leveraging the OS monopoly into an internet monopoly, and the Sherman Act speaks to that pretty directly. The current little legal tiff can't quite use the direct route. Don't think that means that Microsoft is home free if it gets off.

Up till the internet war, Microsoft was famous for giving away software. Not. Bill's line before it turned into a war was "What do you think we are, communists?" when the subject came up. Now, we are all communists, or at least Bill is, by his own criteria and Bob Metcalfe's. Maybe Bill is a commie with a lot of integrity, as opposed to the rest of us leftist/liberal/pejorative/ad hominem of your choice members of the ilk. If you find a bit of integrity in "cutting off Netscape's air supply by giving away everything they sell", let me know. Or better, maybe you can join the Reggie/Sal/Ballmer ethical roundtable, where the conundrum "It's unethical to be ethical in business" rules.

Cheers, Dan.



To: Flair who wrote (16305)1/19/1998 5:04:00 AM
From: Keith Hankin  Respond to of 24154
 
(1). cell phone
(2). pager
(3). voice mails
(4). personal organizer.
(5). fax.
(4). Palm PC or Handheld PC.


You forgot the most important feature: TV Remote Control.



To: Flair who wrote (16305)1/19/1998 9:39:00 AM
From: Bill Jackson  Respond to of 24154
 
To: +Bill Jackson (16254 )
From: +Flair Sunday, Jan 18 1998 11:13PM EST
Reply # of 16327

Bill,

Thanks very much for your elaboration.

1. Windows95/NT with 95%+ of systems. I think there are still
many Windows 3.1 running (for example, I used it since my
Office software is in Windows3.1). Thus, your statement
may be more accurate if you state "Windows 3.1/Windows 95/NT
with around 90% of PC systems". I believe that MAC and OS/2
command around 10%.

1A. Currently Macs enjoy sales of 4% of the dollar sales compared to the name brand aggregate of IBM, DELL, GATEWAY, PACKARD-BELL, and the others who join the industry data reporting service. I feel this 4% in $ is around 3% in unit sales due to the average 25% premium paid for Apple systems. This reporting does not mention the huge numbers of nameless clones made in screwdriver shops all over the USA/world. This might relegate Apple to 2% of system sales?? Apple was bigger in the past, and integrating backwards might up the number to %5, but no way on earth will Apple have 10% of the boxes running it's OSs.

2. As for Microsoft going to be a PC maker, theoretically they
can do that, but, IMHO, finanically they won't. This is the same
thing ever happening to Intel who got backfire from
Compaq and other big PC makers. There are a lot of more
profitable business that Microsoft can do than making PCs
directly. In terms of revenue in software, IBM earned more
than Microsoft. We still have many great software companies:
ORCL, SAP, CA, BMCS, SGI etc. In the enterprise software,
Microsoft is still a dwarf. If my memory serves me correctly,
I remember that Microsoft's software revenue in the whole
software industry is no more than 5%.

2A. Why enter a market with 8% margins from one with 95% margins.Since all boxes have their products inside them, why bother.
However with palmtops the split matket gives them a chance. The OS price is a far greater % of system costs at the low end where palm units live, and so they can act majeure.

3. The acceptance of Windows CE in Palm PCs or Handheld PCs
is determined by consumers. If consumers don't want them,
it is going to be a failure no matter how hard Microsoft
tries to push it. As far as I know, Microsoft does not
manufacture Palm PCs or Handheld PCs directly. If consumers
have strong need in Windows CE, then 3Com needs to come
up a more competitive product with Windows CE. It is pretty
bloody, but it is chosen by consumers.

3A. True, in a sense, but MSFT can take ten internal candidates and throw money at them until a couple emerge, then optimize them with consumer feedback. A smaller compay could not do that. That is why 3Com bought the company as they needed a larger backer. With endless money the lady would not have sold, as she was doing OK on her own. Development funds was the crux.

4. It looks like that you don't believe that Microsoft has
a bit of integrity to compete fairly against other companies.
Let's wait and see if DOJ can prove this point.

4A. MSFT never competes fairly, ever. They will only enter if they have an edge, and in many cases that edge is their deep pockets that enable them to persist until they get it right. From time to time they get a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, (stacker) when their tactics are so egregious that they risked huge punitive judgements if they persisted. So they settled, and apart from being rich, where is the owner of stacker now product wise? They will also buy what they see as an edge, and which can be an error(web TV buy), so they are not all knowing.

5. IMHO, the integration of
(1). cell phone
(2). pager
(3). voice mails
(4). personal organizer.
(5). fax.
(4). Palm PC or Handheld PC.

may come in a couple of years. It is mostly decided by what
consumers' need.

5A. Yes, the personal communicator will soon be everywhere. I give it 3-5 years to fully mature as a product, it will then get cheaper. Standards is one problem now. Every maker wants you to drive on his roads and pay his tolls, leading to assorteddevices that need a central translator/toll collector. Take the highway analogy. How would you like to buy Fords and be able to drive them on Ford roads, and chevys will go on GM roads. And the few Porsches would need their roads. Well we have that now with cellular. and roam fees. We need a road supplier who lets us all drive on the same road in whatever vehicle we like. Standards like wheel widths, loads sizes etc, can be arranged.
I see a convergence of the personal communicator to a device made by many people in many models, all of which use the same set of frequencies and are fully inter-operable. You would pay a fee to the frequency provider(which might be the city) and there would be Federal highways(interstates). I would like this to be private, so how do you make a common set of frequencies and com protocols work??
Like an ISP model over the phones. Each ISP pays support in propoertion to their use of the frequencies, and they then sell access like ISPs do now. $19.95 per month. With wide bandwidths coming real time talk/look will be doable. All the delayed message aspects can be done now, and the real time talk/look packets can be prioritised to pass the delayable com data stuff like e-mail, etc.

I am quite intrigued at current developments, however I see them clinging too strongly to proprietary empires. I would like to see a set of frequencies set aside for radio ISP uses. This would really make things change pronto.

Bill
Again, thanks for your reply.