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To: elmatador who wrote (2031)3/7/2019 11:20:57 AM
From: Elroy Jetson  Respond to of 13780
 
Ask your friend what the EU has done to make Britain pay a high price to leave the EU.

Britain simply can't decide what they want, which is making their Brexit almost impossible. The UK simply wants to go back to being the British Empire and everyone will simply have to follow UK rules and decisions, no matter how capricious - but everyone else says, "No thank you."

The EU repeatedly tells the UK you can't both be in and out, and the EU keeps telling the UK we can't help you make this decision - you must tell us which you want. The only price the EU has insisted Britain pay is accepting reality.
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The UK wants to leave the EU and have secure borders . . .

but they also don't want a hard border between the EU nation of Ireland and the UK province of Northern Ireland - and they also don't want to lose access to the common market.

The UK doesn't want their retirees living in Europe to lose their healthcare in Europe, but they also don't want to pay for it and they don't want to pay for the healthcare of Europeans in England. This is all just nonsense from a spoiled child.

England wants their citizens to be able to take jobs in Europe and have freedom of movement in the EU but the UK doesn't want to grant these rights to any additional EU citizens, just the ones already in the UK. For UK citizens who can claim dual citizenship in Ireland or other EU nation this isn't a problem, but for everyone else in the UK it is.

So Theresa May proposed the solution is the UK will continue to follow all EU rules and continue to pay any imbalance in health care expenditures in order to remain in the EU market without a border - a Brexitless Brexit. The EU said OK, but Parliament said no.

Theresa May then says we want to negotiate independent trade agreements with other nations and not follow EU rules in return for not having access to the EU market, but we don't want a hard border in Ireland for the first two years while we negotiate a border and trade agreement with the EU. The EU says OK.

UK citizens say, "But what about after two years if we can't reach an agreement?"

So Theresa May goes back to the EU and asks for a guarantee they'll never insist on a border between the EU and the UK in Ireland. The EU says, "No two years of borderless border is all we'll accept, by then you'll have to have decided which you want."

The UK says we simply can't decide by the deadline. The EU says we're willing to let you postpone the Brexit deadline for two years if you ask us for an extension, and we're willing to let you change your mind and remain in the EU. Theresa May says the only extension I'll accept is two additional weeks, and the EU says "Yes, any extension up to two years is fine, your choice."

Then Trump tells the UK, "American will not have an open trade agreement with the UK if they insist on excluding American products which don't meet UK rules." No, no says the UK we want America to conform to British rules and we want the right to sell all of our products in America. No says Trump.
No one but Britain is making Brexit difficult or making the UK pay a high price but Britain. The US and EU have simply told Britain you have to decide, but they can't.



To: elmatador who wrote (2031)3/7/2019 11:58:06 AM
From: Elroy Jetson1 Recommendation

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The UK House of Lords has demanded Britain remain in a Customs union with the EU after Brexit.

Last night, peers defied Government pleas to amend the Trade Bill to make a customs union with the EU merely an 'objective' of the trade talks phase of Brexit negotiations.

The rebel amendment carried 207-141 insisting the UK absolutely must remain in the EU market after Brexit - setting up a new showdown when the legislation returns to the Commons.

MPs have to agree any changes made by the Lords and the Government would try to strip it from the Bill.

But PM Theresa May has only a feeble grip of the Commons and could be defeated by a handful of soft Brexit Tory rebels.
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The EU and US are being so unreasonable forcing Britain to decide what they want.



To: elmatador who wrote (2031)3/8/2019 5:31:50 PM
From: Elroy Jetson1 Recommendation

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The "Irish Backstop" - who do you think is being unreasonable?

The Problem: Neither the EU nation of Ireland, nor the UK province of Northern Ireland want a border, or a border wall with checkpoints, between Northern Ireland and Ireland. If Brexit comes with border controls in Ireland, PM Theresa May doesn't have enough votes in the British Parliament to put Brexit into place.

Until the the EU and UK agree on a trade agreement, the EU insists the UK remain in the EU common market, following EU rules and tariffs. This is the "Irish Backstop". The UK wants an expiration date on the backstop, but this is impossible.

Without an Irish border or the "backstop" the UK could make and sell products which don't meet EU standards or pay EU tariffs and sell these goods in Europe through the open Irish border. The UK wants to leave the EU but they want the EU to maintain open borders for UK citizens and goods. This is insane. As the EU continues to tell them, you cannot both leave and remain.

The EU has suggested only Northern Ireland has to remain in the EU market until the EU and UK sign a trade agreement. Very sensible. But the UK sees this as the first step to Northern Ireland rejoining the EU nation of Ireland, which is completely unacceptable to them.



To: elmatador who wrote (2031)3/8/2019 5:42:21 PM
From: Elroy Jetson1 Recommendation

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What if Mexico made the same proposal to America that England has made to the EU

Mexican PM Theresa May says we no longer want to require our products to follow US safety standards, and we no longer want to pay US import tariffs . . . . . . . . but we insist upon a completely open border between Mexico and the US without any border controls.

The US has agreed to an open border, but only if there is a hard border 250 miles south of the US Mexican border.

Mexico says NO, that's just a prelude to the northern 250 miles of Mexico becoming part of the United States.

Mexican PM Theresa May keeps flying to Washington DC demanding concessions. She wants a time limit on how long Mexico has to follow US rules and tariffs, no more than 2 years, after which Mexico can ship whatever it likes into America without border controls, without following US laws and without paying US import tariffs.