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To: Pravin Kamdar who wrote (3970)	1/20/1998 12:11:00 AM
From: Elmer	Respond to of 6843

< the unit had a BusinessWinstone 98 score lower than those of most 233 MHz Tillamook units. Repeated test runs resulted in decreasing scores caused by CPU slowdowns, which may indicate heat problems.> This is not the first time heat throttleing has been used. It"s starting to appear that AMD's announcements didn't quite tell us the whole story. Once again it looks like Yousef called it right. The K6 on .25u isn't ready for prime time. May never be. EP

To: Pravin Kamdar who wrote (3970)	1/20/1998 12:18:00 PM
From: Ali Chen	Respond to of 6843

The whole article looks like a sh!t. Remarks below: "Repeated test runs resulted in decreasing scores caused by CPU slowdowns, which may indicate heat problems." This is a plain bullsh1t. Heat problems may cause system crash or other nasty errors, but there is no chance for a serious long benchmark like Winstone to be completed and generate any scores at all. If they mean a sort of CPU thermal protection/shutdown, this is also a nonsence and such a machine should never be shipped out, and this shutdown must be reported to the OS and be visible. "K6's CPUmark32 scores to be above the average for the tested Tillamook, as would be expected at the faster clock speed." How above? Why not to report clock-by-clock results? "With its original drivers, however, it couldn't complete our Business Winstone 98 tests." Which drivers? What the heck they are talking about? At least it is pretty apparent that the software is at suspicion, including performance loss. "power dissipation of roughly 8 watts, alevel similar to that of past mobile Pentiums but well above the 233 MHz Tillamook chip's 3.9 watts." Please note the marketing trick: "roughly 8W" (7.5? or else?) vs. 3.999W for Tillamook. And again: 266 vs. 233. In conclusion, the article looks like awkward play-down of the new AMD product. Ali

To: Pravin Kamdar who wrote (3970)	1/20/1998 2:19:00 PM
From: Petz	Respond to of 6843

Pravin, re: article about 266 MHz mobile K6 Here's some points against the article: 1. The K6-266m has NOT BEEN RELEASED YET. Why don't they compare a K6-233m to a Tillamook 233. Or better yet, compare a Compaq notebook using the K6-233m to a Compaq notebook using the Tillamook 233. 2. There's no indication that they actually measured power dissipation -- they say the K6 "has" as power dissipation of... Did anybody bother to measure the power dissipation, or take temperature measurements rather than just repeat specs? 3. You are probably right that the K6-266m is not quite ready for prime time since there were problems with the software drivers. But then again, its not SUPPOSED to be a product yet. Petz