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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: GUNSNGOLD who wrote (216486)	3/16/2019 9:27:12 AM
From: RetiredNow	Respond to of 224890

Very much agree with you that Trump is a pragmatic conservative. You know why? Because I believe I am that way. I'm not ideological. I like what works. Trump is that way too. He experiments, just like a businessman does. I find that refreshing. You are absolutely right about the libtards and the never-Trumpers. They are blind and biased in their rage and victimhood. They will never let Trump just do his job. Many of his proposals, including securing the border and limiting immigrants from virulent Muslim countries were almost exactly the same as Obama's and Bush's, but they Resist, because they don't like Trump. I find that galling. The rest of your analysis of the situation is spot on. We are all tired of the permanent civil war and inability of the left to let the Will of the People, as decided in our election, stand and let Trump run the country. It's un-Democratic. As to this: I understood perfectly how you were talking to rxbond about econ, but I also saw how it was annoying HB. Again to me as an ENTJ it was perfectly fine and I totally agree with your points its just that you have to remember 75% of people have the "Feeling" profile and that leaves 25% that are rationals. Of that only about 5% are E/INTJ so we drive most people nuts when we want to debate when we are really just trying to understand better their position and process their position so we can better defend our argument. Yes, guilty as charged! You understand me perfectly. That's exactly how I think and it gives me more insight into how you were debating with me on that thread in the beginning. LOL. I have to say, I was perplexed by that whole situation with HB and was even more confounded at what happened to GZ as a result of collateral damage, but your comment above does help explain it. On the other hand, I'm glad it happened, because it exposed a problem among us conservatives. I think it was you who said it best. We can not start doing the things that the liberals do, otherwise we become like them. Censoring free speech, threatening to ban people for speaking their mind respectfully, and acting like a hysterical dictator is anathema to many of us and are what liberals do all the time. We all have visceral reactions to that. Much better to do our best to live our values, stay free, even when pressured to conform, and keep taking critical looks at everything to see if we can find the threads of truth in this very confused world.

To: GUNSNGOLD who wrote (216486)	3/18/2019 6:02:49 AM
From: RetiredNow	1 Recommendation Recommended By Mevis Respond to of 224890

Guns, have you been watching this state movement to in effect make the Electoral College null and void? I was chatting with TideGlider about it. I'm extremely concerned. Neither Trump nor Bush won the national popular votes, but they won the Electoral College by winning states. States like Florida are key to Republican elections, because their vote can swing either way. There is a HUGE Cuban population there, which has traditionally swung the vote Republican, because Cubans of my generation and our father's generation are almost all conservatives. However, the 2nd generation Americans, who are our children, are millennials and they typically swing left, which can and probably will throw Florida to the left in coming years, from a popular vote perspective. So if this state movement gains steam and the Electoral College is obviated by state rules that give the electoral votes to the national popular vote winner, then Republicans are finished in a pretty permanent way. Not good, because that will herald the dawn of true and pervasive Socialism in this country. I'm still young enough where losing everything, like my father's family did, scares the shit out of me. We all worked too hard to get to where we are. We had everything in Cuba, lost it all to Castro, rebuilt it here from nothing, and now the damned Socialists want to take it all away again. I'm so spitting mad, I don't know what to do about it. ----------- New Colorado law will give state's electoral college votes to national popular vote winner Gov. Jared Polis signed a law Friday that would allot the state's electoral college votes to whichever candidate won the national popular vote. The Washington Post previously reported the law's signing. The trend comes as Americans have shown greater support in recent years for a more democratic presidential election process, without the translational risks of the electoral college. But the daunting requirement of changing the Constitution, where the electoral college is formally codified, has posed a challenge to both public and political support for the issue. The state's legislation would only take effect if enough other states sign on to secure the cumulative 270 electors needed to elect a president, and Colorado's votes raise the current total to 181 electors. Most states have winner-take-all laws in place dictating that their electors go towards whichever candidate takes the state's popular majority, while Maine and Nebraska opt to proportionally split their electors based on the vote. The eleven other states that have signed on -- California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington state -- as well as the District of Columbia and now Colorado, make up the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. New Mexico, which has five electoral votes, sent a bill to the governor's desk to elect the president by popular vote and may soon join the group as well. And the electoral college had been contentious not long ago. In 2016, President Donald Trump won the presidential vote with 306 electoral votes to Hillary Clinton's 232 votes. But Clinton won the popular vote, garnering 48.5% of the vote to Trump's 46.4%.