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To: Bill Ulrich who wrote (16474)1/21/1998 4:31:00 AM
From: Reginald Middleton  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 24154
 
<<IE is an integrated function.

Nope. Somebody in court is trying to argue that, and the judge still isn't convinced. BTW, you completely side-stepped Compaq. Compaq can put any browser they want on their 'puters. Agree or not? It's either A or B, there is no C.>>

Compaq, can, and always has been able to use any browser they wanted, they just could not slice and dice the Windows OS. You are not sticking to the facts. There was no time when MSFT hindered the selection of the browser that was to be offered. Would you give MSFT the same support if they were to remove all of the NSCP Nav icons from Navigator and replace them with links and icons from IE?

<They are not beating up on Netscape with a slightly better browser at a slightly better price. No way.>

Your right, they are crushing them with a far superior product at a MUCH better price.

<They are giving away something to all the sheep and lemming consumers who will take it which is not decisively superior. It's, at best, about the same, and even causing technical problems for a lot of them.>

What makes the consumers sheep and lemmings. I guess Ernst & Young, with thier 11,000 PhDs and MBA consultants and several thousand in technology staff are simply lemmings for choosing IE.

If you bother to go through the browsers features one by one, and examine their capabilities, you will find that IE is far superior to Nav in nearly all aspects except for pure vanilla HTML rendering. It is far more flexible as well. The following corporate valuation app and M&A analysis happens to consist of 20% IE? Could Nav do this?
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To: Bill Ulrich who wrote (16474)1/21/1998 7:55:00 PM
From: John Donahoe  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 24154
 
"No John, it is the argument of somebody who merely disagreed with your point, and explained why in a civil fashion without calling you names. The argument of a loser, is the response from one who cannot do the same."

You apparently misunderstood me. I wasn't referring to you personally as a loser. I was referring to a business that fails due to the superior performance of one of its competitors. It is always much easier to ascribe your failure at the hands of your competitor to bad luck, cheating or whatever, then to admit you failed because your competitor was smarter, more aggressive, had superior products, better marketing etc. It's anathema to the giant egos that occupy the executive suite of today's corporations.

"Nope. I just got back from the store, and the razors all had price tags. There were a few freebies on the sides of Barbasol cans, but even these have a cost which somebody is paying for somewhere down the line, not to mention the fact that they are special item promos."

I remember buying Gillette razor blades and getting the razor free. This was decades ago. If you accept this as fact does this mean that it's OK for MSFT to give it's browser away free?

"Compaq can put any browser they want on their 'puters. Agree or not?

Agree.

"Netscape has a right to competitively co-exist in the marketplace."

Absolutely.

"Your comment does not at all consider that Microsoft is not acting competitively".

What does this mean? MSFT is extremely competitive.

"They are giving away something to all the sheep and lemming consumers who will take it which is not decisively superior".

What's stopping Netscape from giving their browser away for free?

"Going out on a limb, I wonder if you can debate this gracefully, or just sling mud."

I'm always graceful.

JD