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To: Rarebird who wrote (1616)7/19/2019 1:22:24 PM
From: Mannie4 Recommendations

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Yes, I am a progressive and liberal who is so outraged by the Democratic Party that I am voting for Trump.

I'd say it's time for a little self re-evaluation. You aren't progressive or liberal if you'll vote for fascist, racist pig like Trump, for any reason.

You'll vote for someone that despises everything you believe in, if you think you can make a few more bucks? You don't really believe in your "beliefs" then.



To: Rarebird who wrote (1616)7/19/2019 8:01:34 PM
From: dan61 Recommendation

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  1. It is not reasonable to make money at all costs, having other people suffer for your gains.
  2. <honestly and legally> It is much harder to make money honestly than you might think. A lot of money is made by taking advantage of the poor and powerless. Likewise, what is legal is often a set of rules that favor the rich and powerful.
  3. So Bloomberg gives 3% (or less) of his wealth to charity each year? Is he doing without anything to do this? No. I admire your visiting patients in cancer wards more than the money you or he give to charities...
  4. <Risk> I think it is a fake argument to say that people who take risks, ie investors, deserve the gains that take. Everybody in a human body has skin in the game and takes risks. A much bigger risk is when you have no money, take out loans to go to school for a job that may or may not pan out. Later you find out somebody sold you a bill of goods. Too bad for you, sucker...
  5. I question whether contracts negotiated from a place of inequity can be moral. David Graeber in Debt: The First 5000 Years, opened by eyes to the nature of debt.
  6. <Personal Responsibility> In my book, fiscal responsibility is one of the lower forms of personal responsibility. PR to me is finding a way to live that doesn't fluck other people (or the world) over. (BTW, I have always paid my debts.)
  7. I don't know what the Portland riots were about, though I have to say that I find institutional violence as abhorrent as street violence. Worse, actually...

Rarebird- I've followed you for years, admire you, know you don't suffer fools lightly, and occasionally like to have your rant. I believe I understand your point about creating govt gridlock to limit the harm it does if it can't figure out to do good. But I believe your capitalist, self-serving blinders are leading you to bad conclusions on this one... Yes, Trump-hating is a waste of time and may very well backfire. But there are many ways to run a govt and it is ridiculous to say that every idea by all 20+ Democratic candidates is wrong...

All the best,
dan6