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To: DJBEINO who wrote (19761)	1/22/1998 5:44:00 AM
From: Kashish King	Respond to of 42771

"Microsoft still claims that NDS for NT renders the NT Server non-C2 certified [for security]; when in fact, it never was C2-certified," Simpson said. Unfortunately this Simpson fellow misses the point completely: when Microsoft uses a word it means precisely what Microsoft chooses it to mean.

To: DJBEINO who wrote (19761)	1/23/1998 8:01:00 PM
From: Peter Connolly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42771

Hi DJBEINO Back again after a long long time, with a new sense of urgency..... Consider this quote, reprinted without permission.... "Web Informant #98, 22 January 1998 Microsoft: deal with NDS for NT, puh-leeze! Sometimes our industry has no memory of history. Take the recent jihad of Microsoft towards Novell's Directory Services for NT. Not only is this crusade completely misdirected and bad for corporate users of both NT and NetWare, but it couldn't come at a worse time for the Company That Everyone Hates. When Maureen Dowd starts doing columns on His Billness, it is time to pick another horse to whip? I've been covering this industry for close to a dozen years. I can't count the number of Microsoft vs. Novell stories. (Ring 0? IPX licensing? DR DOS? Win95 client? The list is depressingly long.) Sometimes the fault has been Novell's for the bad behavior, but most of the time the conflict started with Microsoft. And the current story is just another (and spectacular) example of how wrong Microsoft is. Forgive me for venturing into familiar territory here, but this latest foray is so irksome. For those of you that haven't been following this particular little chestnut, here is the synopsis. After many years of delay and promises, Novell finally has a pretty decent piece of software that allows NT machines to participate in its enterprise directory. And just in the nick of time, too, as NDS is finally coming into its own in corporate America. Many companies are still using NetWare in large numbers, and need the features of NDS to administer their systems. NDS isn't an option anymore. And more to the point, NDS does its job in terms of working across many different operating system platforms and delivering some solid benefits. Microsoft put out some spew at the link below to say basically that they don't want anyone to use NDS for NT. They claim, wrongly, that they can't test what Novell has done (really? Did they run out of lab space in Redmond?) and furthermore won't support any of their NT customers who will install the product on their systems. This is complete and utter crap. Microsoft is making a big mistake here. microsoft.com Grow up, Microsoft: who ever made this decision should be sent to work in Janet Reno's office as a temp. Learn to live with NDS for NT. Deal with it. NDS for NT isn't going away just because you want it to. NDS for NT is better than anything Microsoft sells right now. Telling people to wait a year (or more) until Microsoft releases NT 5.0 or 6.0 or whatever isn't helpful. And carping on Novell for installing a DLL in the \windows\system directory is like the pot calling the kettle black: have you seen how many DLLs Word 97 installs in the very same place? Get real, Microsoft! Now, I'd love to see an overall ban on any application installing system DLLs, but that isn't the reality of my Windows existence. Anyone who tests products for a living will tell you that they have to set up a clean NT machine - one without any applications on it - if they are going to try to isolate problems from new applications. It is a fact of life. NDS for NT may be the new Satan for Microsoft but it is useful for those corporations that want to run Windows applications on a (more) stable platform than 95 and have grown impatient with ever seeing these applications come to NetWare. Microsoft needs to stop acting like some petulant child and remember that its customers need to get some real work done. In the meantime, I gotta go reboot and get rid of some error on my Win95 machine." ------------------------------- End Quote I've lived through most, if not all, of these technical rows. This is the first time that MSFT has ever come across any competition whatsoever and I'm so glad. Rod McPherson may talk through his hole on this BBS about 'his vision' - it has about the same worth as Bill Gates in a paper bag without his lawyers - bugger all!! Think what he wants to think, I haven't seen anything from him or anybody else to say that what he says is right and what Eric S. is doing is wrong. Hey, Rod, you're so full of it, why not step up to the plate? Take a seat on the board - I'm sure between the lot of us here on SI we could swing it. If the answer is no (which is reckon it is, in advance, knowing your sort), what are your reasons? - good reasons only accepted, I'm afraid, sorry..... Peter C Howdy Joe - Glad to see you're still here. and for the sake of peace, Hi Scott L (in the one post, you learn a lot in Northern Ireland.) Good to see that there's still full and frank discussion going on :-) P I've lived through this stuff Rod. Don't hop on this bandwagon claiming to be a Svengali or something. Hindsight is 20/20. How are you doing, really?