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To: elmatador who wrote (1955)7/29/2019 5:43:30 PM
From: Elroy Jetson  Respond to of 2508
 
Most natural gas consumed in Brazil is delivered by pipeline from Bolivia, currently at a market cost of US $6.74 per 1,000 cubic feet currently - which is roughly equal to 1 million BTU, (actually 0.967 mBTU).



You'll notice the Bolivian price is 8% below the cost of importing LNG from the US. Liquefying natural gas is quite costly.

Bolivia is buying Petrobas' share of this pipeline. But this is not the final price. As in the US and other locations the local gas distribution company passes on their local distribution costs in the form of monthly fees or a markup on the wholesale natural gas price.

I'm certain you're not paying a retail price of US $12 / m3 in Brazil., because that would be US $340 per 1,000 cubic feet of natural gas - which is fifty times higher than the price Brazil pays Bolivia !

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If you're talking about canisters of LPG, a completely different type of gas, this costs far more than natural gas both in the US and Brazil because it can't be distributed inexpensively by pipeline and is distributed by truck drivers. In the US wholesale LPG costs $2.00 to $2.75 per gallon, with delivered retail costs ranging from $3.25 to $4.00 per gallon.

And a gallon of LPG is a mere 91,000 BTU - only 9.1% of the million BTU in 1,000 cu ft of natural gas.
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Natural gas prices are already so low in Brazil - that this has greatly restricted Brazilian natural gas production.

57% of the natural gas produced from presalt oil deposits in Brazil are reinjected into deeper strata rather than being sold - spglobal.com - due to the economically prohibitive cost of building offshore gas pipelines to most offshore production sites. If the price later rises, or if Jair Bolsonaro provides socialist funding for additional offshore gas pipelines, this reinjected natural gas is still available for sale.

Natural gas prices are low in the US because the most gas producing wells are onshore and located near existing pipelines.

With natural gas prices so low in Brazil I see no opportunity to reduce the price by breaking-up Petrobas or by regulating the gas market as Jair Bolsonaro has announced he will do. If he regulates a price which is too low, natural gas will simply become unobtainable.



To: elmatador who wrote (1955)7/29/2019 6:27:44 PM
From: Elroy Jetson  Respond to of 2508
 
What is the actual residential cost of natural gas currently in Brazil ?
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If your price is actually US $12 per million BTU, your retail cost is slightly lower than it is in the US.

Last December when it was cold we used 13 million BTU which cost $168.31.

This retail price is $12.95 per million BTU, or $12.52 per 1,000 cubic feet.

The bill from most US firms charge per "Therm" which is 100,000 BTU, and they billed us for 130 Therms.