To: ggersh who wrote (150015 ) 8/14/2019 7:58:35 AM From: TobagoJack Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 217842 RE <<repression ... >> Unclear that the hksar government has so far repressed anyone, so far, except trying ineffectively to maintain law and order so that the population can do whatever they need to do to maintain a livelihood. So Hillary may be off base. Am sure the hksar government shall be able to maintain law and order, as did Singapore back when gaining independence circa 1947, and as did the British in Hong Kong during 1967 episode. In the meantime, believe hksar civil servant Corp needs a house cleaning, to rid of ineffective managers, per directive of the Board of Directors. But, not yet time. Must wait for call of duty by the people for the people against other people. It always comes down to by the people for the people against other people. Hong Kong so far has been exemplary, but soon may devolve, evolve, and then getting on w/ more productive undertakings. No discussions can take place because no opposition leaders has had the courage to emerge, step forward, on the one hand, and be counted. OTOH, firstly the protestors recognize no single leadership, and secondly the rioters groups have no leaders, only dark hands. The police doing their work, investigating and readying. I hope there are no in-the-dark students unknowingly being manipulated. So, perhaps the scenario is societal dialogue after dark-hands are ID-ed. Our helpers said they have been alerted to refrain from accepting money showing up at protests, authorized or not, and the preferred sum seems to be 3k HKD for in the crowd march, and 7k HKD for front line work. The payments are in the form of fuss-free value-add cards good for transport fare and for convenience and grocery store purchases. Let’s see what the police turn up, and if the evidence is safe / reliable. The details surrounding the protests, and the riots, are not crystal clear except to ignorant folks and folks w/ agenda, as opposed to impartial observers. So, let us wait.