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To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (150452)8/31/2019 9:30:07 AM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218621
 
In the meantime,

On 31 Aug 2019, at 9:04 PM, J wrote:

We by this day have the best of both possible states, that of ...

(6-i) 20k - 3M folks demonstrate w/o permission, but peacefully, without police interference - loudest messaging to the officialdom, and best for Hong Kong, important to all sides, and exemplary for the world

(6-v) 3 - 2,000 violent demonstrators show up, w/ no crowds to hide amongst, big problem for them as they get caught by and by over time. Good for Hong Kong rule of law.

Perfect daytime and perfect night time.

Pity the blue-dyed people w/ much to explain.

Now we wait to see the Sunday actions. I need to meet folks at the airport Regal Hotel.

And we wait to see Monday financial market.

On 31 Aug 2019, at 8:57 PM, J wrote:

The surge to 17 trillion Nirp-ness is good news, for it opens up the way to 34 trillion road marker, and arrive at natural / mathematical point of destination - 100% Nirp.

Have just returned from Causeway Bay’s Ding Tai Fung restaurant contiguous to the Regal Hotel. Had mom, wife and the Jack in toll along w/ visitor. Great food, friendly service, and quiet ambiance; as opposed to the usually great food, efficient service, and hubbub atmosphere.

We left in taxi just as black-shirts put up barricades. Taxi driver furiously upset w/ the lawbreakers.

I doubt very much the blue-dye tainted folks doused by police water canon trucks would get served at the restaurant.

Whilst using the washroom ran into would-be rioters putting on their gear. They best pray I am not called to jury duty.

OTOH, the police best pray I am not called on jury duty in any trial against one of their members.

Earlier this morning I had speculated regarding the alleged Beijing turning down HK proposal of withdrawing extradition bill ...

:0) Yes, that is the key question, <<Who to believe?>>

(1) We must figure out the most likely truth for ourselves, and see how it all matters if we are wrong, I am guessing.

(2) I have no doubt that the officialdoms in Beijing is inclined to not-appease the demonstrators, especially as the officialdom must-know that their are many groups and subgroups of demonstrators and that mobs can never be sated. Full stop.

(3) I would be very surprised if (2) is not true, and I would be extremely surprised if anyone else interested in the situation believes otherwise.

(4) Given above (2) and (3), we then evaluate item (1)

(4-i) The Reuter’s narrative is that a 500-folks meeting was called in Shenzhen about Hong Kong, and in which a set of recommendations was put forth by team Hong Kong, which was then rejected by team Beijing, and still making team Hong Kong responsible / accountable / answerable for the consequences

(4-ii) Problem [w/ nareative], that team Beijing only [ever] calls for 500-people meetings when the team already decided what to do, as opposed to seeking consultation on what to do

(4-iii) Meaning [of narrative], team Hong Kong wants to, but is prevented / precluded from doing the ‘right’ thing by team [Beijing]

(4-iv) The news [then] is leaked to the international press to be picked up by the domestic HK press, including the opposition press, by three ‘someones’ in-the-know, trusted, but not named, and never leak-able by the domestic press - [very] convenient

(4-v) Team Beijing loses any which ways, [whether] confirming, keeping silent, or denying the report

(4-vi) Team Beijing in any way [hopefully, by parties unknown] begins to distrust team Hong Kong; and demonstrators on the street is fanned once again.

(4-vii) Inexpensive and easy score for the oppositions.

(5) But [given] team Beijing knows what is true and not true, what would the team do in light of knowledge?

(5-i) Cannot counter against team Hong Kong

(5-ii) Cannot counter w/ “no, we agree to any of the 5 demands, even as the mob on the street has no unified leadership”

(5-iii) Cannot do much of anything except to [revert] playing long-game, and watch developments

(6) Watch & brief - let’s see - several possible scenarios for the weekends and for the October holidays, to make sure the violent minority has no place to hide, efficacy unknown until after weekend:

(6-i) 20k - 3M folks demonstrate w/o permission, but peacefully, without police interference - loudest messaging to the officialdom, and best for Hong Kong, important to all sides, and exemplary for the world

(6-ii) Peaceful demonstrations of any size, w/ police interference, big problems for the officialdom

(6-iii) No demonstrators show up, peaceful or otherwise, big message for officialdom and for the majority, that HK is exemplary bar none, and important to all sides

(6-iv) 20k - 3M folks, w/ any violent component, but no police interference so as to reduce casualties, big message to 20k - 3M, that they are breaking Hong Kong

(6-v) 3 - 2,000 violent demonstrators show up, w/ no crowds to hide amongst, big problem for them as they get caught by and by over time. Good for Hong Kong rule of law.

1, 3, 4 possible, 2 and 5 also possible. Let’s see.

Any which way, the hunt for instigators and inciters full-on. May god have mercy on their soul, for “riot” is a clearly defined British colonial term, and “incitement” is a vague concept left to the judge and jury. Sort it out in court by and by.

(7) An off-duty policeman got stabbed last night. Who did it? Don’t know, and does not matter, except that it was done. Effects - police angry, majority not pleased, officialdom alarmed, and opposition should be frightened but perhaps are not, because they do not fully understand the total situation.

(8) Effect on financial market? Do not know, as the market so far is resilient, and enough people are asking “when to buy?”

(9) I am still waiting for the follow-up to this piece of fake news which I thought at the time to be too obvious to be true, but doesn’t matter the truth, only that the news went out and about bloomberg.com

<<The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S. Companies
The attack by Chinese spies reached almost 30 U.S. companies, including Amazon and Apple, by compromising America’s technology supply chain, according to extensive interviews with government and corporate sources.
4 October 2018, 17:00 GMT+8>>

(10) I have other and too many examples, and currently, everything about Huawei in Africa, and much w/r to Chinese students in Australia. War is like this, very misty, my take.

What fun, that we are challenged by such shady colouring to the already challenging but inarguably resilient and overarching macro.

We need de-risking galore, at both the periphery as well as at the very core.

Best, J

On 31 Aug 2019, at 4:19 PM, D wrote:

The Unstoppable Surge in Negative Yields Reaches $17 Trillion
bloomberg.com



To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (150452)8/31/2019 7:55:11 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218621
 
was about 100 meters away from Sogo dept store site last night w/ family in toll, for dinner w/ visiting dentist partner

we got out of the area just in time as the barricades were going up

ran into some perhaps would-be rioters apparently making preparations in the washroom before leaving the restaurant

the blue dye and water cannon is apparently German in origin

scmp.com

Indelible blue dye fired from water cannons by Hong Kong police – protesters adjust with new clothes and removal tips

Incriminating pigment fired for first time as water cannons unleashed to fight off petrol bombs, bricks and raging fires No injuries reported from anti-riot vehicles – but police could track down protesters stained with dye
A reporter from Taiwan was covered in the blue dye, saying it induced a burning pain. He said his skin became swollen after exposure to the dye, which he said he could not remove with water.

Inside several MTR stations, people distributed new clothes for protesters and shared soda power and alcohol wipes to remove the dye.

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Protester-friendly websites also posted instructions on how to remove the incriminating liquid.

“Spray soda powder onto the painted area to soak it, then wipe it in one direction. But do not wipe it back and forth,” a post advised. “A better result can be achieved by using tissue with alcohol.”



A police water cannon truck blasts blue dyed water at anti-government protesters on Saturday at the junction of Tim Wa Avenue and Harcourt Road. Photo: Felix Wong

Another post recommended soaking clothes for five minutes in a solution of one part vinegar and three parts waters. If that did not work, the post cautioned, protesters should throw away the stained clothing to escape detection. The police had earlier this month showcased the
new water cannons
on the force’s Facebook page. The police post said the dye was hard to remove and was used to track down suspects.

The three anti-riot vehicles armed with water cannons cost HK$16.59 million (US$2.12 million). The Mercedes-Benz vehicles arrived in the city in May 2018 and had since been stationed at the Police Tactical Unit headquarters in Fanling.



A water cannon that followed protesters across the city on Saturday fires into the crowd outside SOGO in Causeway Bay. Photo: K.Y. Cheng

According to operational guidelines, the vehicles would only be used if there was a serious injury, loss of life, widespread destruction of property or “disruption of major thoroughfares resulting in significant consequences for public order or safety”.

The assistant commissioner of police can authorise the vehicles’ deployment – but only after a threat assessment.

Rights groups and
legislators had raised concerns
that the water cannons could potentially be fatal. A South Korean farmer was seriously injured during a protest in 2015 when a police water cannon knocked him off his feet, causing him to smash his head on the road. He later died.

“Hong Kong police must exercise extreme caution in any deployment of water cannons in upcoming protests,” Amnesty International said last month. “The use of these powerful weapons in the city’s densely populated streets could cause serious injuries and further inflame tensions.”

Man-kei Tam, the director of Amnesty Hong Kong, said the weapons had enough force to knock a person over, push them into fixed objects, cause permanent loss of sight, or pick up objects and propel them as missiles.

There were no immediate reports of injuries from the water cannons on Saturday.

A study by a local police monitoring group in 2015, said jets of water could hit with 145kg of force from a distance of five metres and 127kg at 10 metres.