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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: i-node who wrote (142910)	11/8/2019 12:16:42 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 355694

It isn't the same thing. Trump is doing it for his personal benefit. Biden did it to further US policy. It would only be the same thing if you view the US and Trump as the same entity. But we aren't a monarchy.

To: i-node who wrote (142910)	11/8/2019 12:30:31 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 355694

"It is him doing exactly what Trump is accused [falsely] of doing:" No, it's not, but I strongly urge you (Trump) to make that the defense. = "Several of you have defended Biden while you stand against Trump for allegedly doing the same thing" You should argue that Obama did what Trump did. Biden did what Sondland or Pence did, except...it wasn't for help for a political campaign, it was done with the approval of the EU and IMF, not just the campaign manager, and, obviouisly, there was no conspiracy to cover it up.... Sondland said he was the one who carried the message to a Ukrainian official on the sidelines of a conference in Warsaw with Vice President Mike Pence. “I said that resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks,” Sondland recalled. apnews.com == Bad choice of words.. he shudda listened for base, lease, century The words Trump had to hear: Investigations, Biden, Clinton apnews.com There were three words President Donald Trump wanted to hear from the Ukraine president: Investigations, Biden, Clinton. ... That’s according to the transcript, released Thursday, of an impeachment inquiry interview with career State Department official George Kent. “