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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: i-node who wrote (148881)	1/3/2020 12:50:36 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 357794

"while AOC believes we have 10 years to 'do something' or it will be too late, you believe it is already too late and it is a lost cause? Are you saying disaster is now inevitable?" "Do something" and "too late" are rather nebulous terms. The IPCC says we have to cut emissions by 50% in 10 years, and totally by 2050, if we are to keep the temperature increase below 1.5 degrees C. Rat thinks it was too late for that the day Paris was signed, and it might be too late to keep it below 2 degrees. Localized disasters are already happening. We have to move faster.

To: i-node who wrote (148881)	1/3/2020 1:08:59 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 357794

Lane's right, it's already too late. Too many humans like you, stupid, only thinking of the next day, not the next decade or century. Most of the industrialized humans aren't in this country now, which will only continue into the future. It's OUR model of perpetual growth that's led to this.

To: i-node who wrote (148881)	1/3/2020 2:27:09 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 357794

you believe it is already too late and it is a lost cause? Humanity has been on an unsustainable path for a long time now. We've been chewing up the planet. Just too many people and too much debris. Not that humanity might not survive but we sure won't live the way we do now. We are blithely tied up in what might be called first-world problems or white-girl problems or snowflake problems frittering away lead time. Maybe we could have done something had the awakened back in the seventies or so gotten some traction. But culture is harder to turn than an aircraft carrier. We are all part of the problem. We are all working off of fleeting paradigms. For example, my libertarian self is still arguing that we have a natural right, perhaps the prime, most essential natural right, to create families with whomever we choose and to procreate or not. That paradigm will seem quaint some time from now when there's not enough room on the planet to have sex lying down and the air is not breathable enough for such exertion. Paradigms like nation states may be unsustainable. Property rights may be an unsustainable paradigm. The bodily integrity of born people may be an unsustainable paradigm and here we are wasting our energy having a civil war over the right to life of zygotes. We think we have an immigration problem now? God laughs. There is too much momentum and no way to channel a critical mass of people. I don't see anything short of a comet or a existential pandemic diverting the aircraft carrier. Meanwhile I continue to quietly support folks trying to do the right thing the best way they know how. There is nobility in trying. It's charming that humanity is capable of nobility. While evoking pathos. I considered not posting this. Way to heavy for only the third of January in a very tough upcoming year.